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    Quote Originally Posted by Zell View Post
    mmm...not coming in to be an asshole, but i still haven't been able to understand how great this album is. I gave it a try yesterday, and my instant response was "wtf?" It is a very weird record even to Kate Bush's standard. I spent quite a long time getting to her other albums, which I love now mostly except The Sensual World. Would anyone mind shed some light on me, pretty please? This album just sounds like everything all pushed at once to me ...

    I had the same reaction at first. I "got" why people liked Hounds Of Love (though it wasn't a personal favorite), but I didn't "get" The Dreaming at all. I think the key is learning to love that "everything all pushed at once" sound. Personally, I fell in love with the album listening to it as background music while trying to cure insomnia (note: this is an excellent way to learn new things about albums you're *trying* to like, but it's not very beneficial to your sleeping habits). Actually, it took nocturnal, half-awake listenings for me to appreciate ALL of Kate's albums (except for The Kick Inside).

    Don't know if this would work for anyone else, but in my experience, once you "get used" to this album's odd sounds, you'll fall in love with it. Absolutely.

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    I've tempered myself by not really mentioning this album "as a favorite".

    I'm prone to profuse verbage - we all know - but I've always held back writing about how I feel for this album b/c it's just too much too write. It's not an album as much as an experience.

    I don't want to mention other artists out of respect for what others have voiced, but there are so many that were influenced by this album, it's shocking to hear the blatant "influences" on many popular songs (esp in the rap and hip-hop genre; hello Tupac ).

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    This album is about 30 years old. That means I was 4 when it came out. It's not my favorite by her, but there's something about it that makes me feel good, even on the most dour days. Even songs like "Houdini" cheer me up.

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    I don't know if it's because I'm Scottish, but sometimes when I listen to Suspended in Gaffa I can hear a Scottish accent in most of it.

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    ^ There is a little lilt to her voice in that song.

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    Until now I mostly admired 'The Dreaming', but I've really been able to connect with it lately. I now believe it's one of the most awe-inspiring recordings out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philodendron View Post
    Until now I mostly admired 'The Dreaming', but I've really been able to connect with it lately. I now believe it's one of the most awe-inspiring recordings out there.
    Was it a distant admiration? I suppose I can relate. Can one have secret crushes on works of art?

    Whenever I play "The Dreaming" around friends they cast evil eyes. I always feel goofy and turn it off. When no one is around I try to reenact her dance moves from videos.

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    Dance in front of the evil eyed people, nunu!

    Get Out of My House is one of Kate's best songs, yet people think it's bonkers. I play it when it's getting late and it's time for my guests to leave. Nothing will clear the room quicker than playing that song.

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    "Why is she emulating a donkey?"


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    Mule being usually sterile?

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    Here's an old interview from Love-Hounds where she explains it:

    http://gaffa.org/cloud/music/get_out_of_my_house.html

    Interviewer: Now a friend of mine believes that this last part is a flaw in the song, because mules are not really neuter after all. They are only sterile. Personally, I think it isn't a flaw because the idea comes across loud and clear to me, and somehow it seems that ``I change into the amoeba: Ooze! Ooze!'' just wouldn't work so well. So the question is, what do you think of this interpretation? And could you respond to my friend's slight criticism?

    Kate: And what was your friend's criticism?

    Interviewer: He said that the ending is a flaw because mules are not really neuter, they are only sterile.

    Kate: What does he mean?

    Interviewer: Well, it seems to me - and to him - that the end of the song is sort of a positive note because they've found a grounds for communication. And sort of on a platonic level, because mules might be seen as being platonic, because...

    Kate: Why?

    Interviewer: Oh... Well... Mules are sterile... Uh... A donkey and a horse... You know... Have a sexual relationship, and then they have mules, and mules don't have children, but they really can have sex. They just can't have children, but a lot of people actually think that they just don't have sex. Which isn't really true.


    Kate: Right! Well, um... I think you... It's kind of weird the level of interpretation that you are reading into things, because... I mean, a mule - in our country - all it represents is a stupid animal. They are considered stupid. [This, of course, is the dominant significance of the mule as a symbol in the united states, as well. The expression ``stubborn as a mule'' is considerably better known in both countries than the sterile condition of the animal - as the interviewer ought to know. - ied] and that's the allusion that was being used in that case. And it's very much a play on a traditional song called The Two Magicians about someone who's trying to escape someone, and they keep changing their form in order to escape them. But the other thing keeps changing its form. And that's actually what the whole song is about - someone who is running away from something they don't want to face, but wherever they go, the thing will follow them. Basically, you can't run away from things - you've got to confront things. And it's using the person as the imagery of a house, where they won't let anyone in, they lock all the doors and windows, and put a guard on the front door. But I think the essence of the song is about someone trying to run away from things they don't like and not being able to escape - because you can't.

    Interviewer: But if the symbol of mules is just stupidity, at the end, then it would seem like it would be a negative ending, and it just sort of seems to me, most of your songs...a lot of them...end on up notes. And it sort of seemed like it was a positive note at the end.

    Kate: Yes, I think the mule is that kind of... the stupid confrontation... I mean, there's not really that much to read into it. It was the idea of playing around with changing shape, and the mule imagery was something I liked audially. The whole thing of this wild, stupid, mad creature just turning around and going, you know, ``Eeyore! Eeyore!'' [Kate makes convincing eeyore sounds.] I don't know if you saw Pinocchio, but there's an incredibly heavy scene in there, where one of the little boys turns into a donkey - a mule. And it's very heavy stuff.

    Interviewer: I haven't seen that since about six, but I think I remember that...it's a strong image.

    Kate: Well, maybe you should see it again. It's a good film. (1985, Love-Hounds)

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    ^ I always forget how hilarious Kate can be in interviews:

    I don't know if you saw Pinocchio, but there's an incredibly heavy scene in there, where one of the little boys turns into a donkey - a mule. And it's very heavy stuff.
    I love that she reads into imagery like this in Disney films! I also love that for the first part of the interview she clearly has no idea what the interviewer is going on about.

    *runs off to watch the Nightflight video for more Kate fun and frolics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy View Post
    Here's an old interview from Love-Hounds where she explains it:

    http://gaffa.org/cloud/music/get_out_of_my_house.html
    Haha that's awesome! I get the changing shape bit, bird to mule, but the house as someone trying to run away but can't really escape is a beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quentcomp View Post
    Haha that's awesome! I get the changing shape bit, bird to mule, but the house as someone trying to run away but can't really escape is a beauty.
    That site - Cloudbusting - Kate Bush In Her Own Words - is a treasure trove. All you have to do is go to the main page, then to "Kate talks about her music," and there's a list of songs and albums that you can click on for quotes about various songs.

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    Thanks! I really just got round to listening to Kate after reading Wuthering Heights, and the fact that I was not in the least scared away running by the video says a lot why I still didn't run away screaming with The Dreaming. I wonder how she brayed without hurting her vocal folds.

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