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    We are deeply, deeply fucked.



    I just can't with this any more. What do these craven, venal shits have to do to get fired these days?

    The look on Benn's face says it all.

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    This is all turning out to be as much of a disaster as I thought it would be; except I don't have any sense of schadenfreude because this is my future being narrowed in front of my eyes. It would be hilarious if people weren't going to suffer.

    And I still don't buy into the line that Brexit could be successful if the government were stronger or if this or that were different; as far as I can tell the best outcome for Brexit is still a more expensive and less secure version of what we have now.

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    I watched Question Time last night (I know, I shouldn't have) and I have never ever felt more like I want to leave this country. Watching the mob getting riled up by and cheering the meaningless populist bullshit spewed out by Isabel Oakeshott while booing any reasonable point that was made and completely missing the point of everything was just a microcosm of where we're at right now. Where does the country go from this? We're committing an act of self vandalism while half the country applauds it then screams traitor and mutineer at anyone who has a reasonable perspective on it. Even when politicians are conceding that Brexit is going to happen, they're classed as the enemy because they have a more nuanced idea of what the process should be. Even if somehow the whole thing was overturned these people are not going to let it lie because they've been brainwashed by decades of horseshit from the newspapers.

    I'm sick of this debate and I'm sick of the atmosphere in this country. We're in a dire position already after the recession and a decade of austerity and we're going to make it ten times worse for ourselves. I feel like I don't want to hang around in this toxic environment watching that happen.

    I'm in a privileged position because I have Irish citizenship too so I can move across the border or into the rest of the EU, but that is something I've never felt the need to ever do - now I am genuinely weighing up the logistics of it.
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    ^^ I stopped watching BBCQT for this exact reason - I just found it beyond depressing every single week. Ugh, JAE, what the fuck is going on.

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    I really don't see the worth in programmes like Question Time, or its radio-equivalent The Jeremy Vine Show. They serve absolutely no purpose, apart from riling up the population when they hear something they disagree with and affirming their prejudices when they hear something they already think. Experts are rarely featured. I think that sort of below-the-line comment programming is attractive, as people love a bit of righteous anger, and it allows the BBC to show that it's listening to the opinions of 'ordinary' people, but I don't give a fuck what Mark from Peterborough thinks about transgender rights and I worry that the BBC thinks I should. Best avoided.

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    Yeah, QT gammons just anger up the blood before bed.



    Listen to Late Junction on BBC Radio 3 instead and discover something beautiful from the weird and wonderful music they play. Much better for the soul.
    Maybe for once, someone will call me "Sir" without adding, "You're making a scene."

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    It's all going to be so worth it because we'll be able to have blue passports *slow clap*.

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    Man banging on about colour of his passport clearly more concerned about colour of his neighbours
    A man demanding that the colour his passport be changed is clearly more concerned about changing the colour of his neighbours, it has emerged this morning.

    Simon Williams, 62, has been telling anyone within earshot this morning that changing the colour of his passport will be ‘one in the eye for those unelected eurocrats in Brussels!’, seemingly unaware that EU members can have a passport of any colour they like, should they choose to implement it.

    Williams’ neighbour Sanjeet told us, “As I’ve explained to him, more than once, Croatia’s passport, for example, is black and gold, but he had no interest in that and just said having blue passports would bring back the good old days when ‘everything was the right colour’.

    “No, I’m not entirely sure what he meant either.”

    Williams has been tireless in his pursuit of a different colour for his passport ever since Nigel Farage explained to him that it was a key part of ‘Britain taking back control’.

    He told us, “I vividly remember Nigel waving a blue British passport at photographers when he stood in front of that big poster with the thousands of brown refugees coming into the EU across one of its many porous borders – and something about that image really resonated with me.

    “It was definitely the passport, definitely. Ever since then, I’ve repeatedly insisted that the colour of our passport is the number one priority for me, even if the government has to spend half a billion pounds changing it.

    “But you can’t say anything these days; you get called a racist just for saying you don’t like the colour of your neighb…passport. I meant passport.”
    Sounds about right.

    I like this too from @mikegalsworthy.



    I saw Dr. Mike speak at a pro-EU rally. He was excellent!

    I dug out my old passport. If it's blue is certainly a very dark blue. Some would call it black even. Black, black. they keep me a cellar and feed me pins! My eyes are bees!

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    Sadiq Khan speech disrupted by Brexit and Trump supporters
    A group of protesters backing Brexit and Donald Trump have disrupted a speech by the London mayor, Sadiq Khan.

    Khan’s address on gender equality to the Fabian Society in central London was suspended for several minutes on Saturday morning while a small number of demonstrators from a recently formed far-right group called the White Pendragons made their protest.

    Shortly after Khan began speaking at the society’s new year conference, one man told the audience: “Ladies and gentlemen, we’re here today to make a non-violent, peaceful citizen’s arrest.”

    One man shouted “No to the EU” and another displayed a US flag.

    Audience members began to heckle and slow-clap, but the protesters resisted attempts to remove them, claiming they would sue anyone who touched them for “common assault”.

    Several police officers then moved in to escort them from the venue.

    The protesters claimed the Fabian Society was “subverting our English constitution”, with one quoting the Magna Carta.

    Outside the hall, the ITV News reporter Paul Brand asked them several times for clarity about their objection to the society, but failed to get a clear response.

    He said in a tweet that they claimed to be neither a racist, nor a far-right group. “But they told us Sadiq Khan has no right to be Mayor of London, referencing his religion.”

    When Khan, a former chair of the Fabian Society, resumed his speech he quipped: “On the plus side, I wasn’t served with a P45” – a reference to Theresa May’s Tory conference speech that was interrupted by a prankster.

    The mayor added: “It is a pleasure to be here even though we were distracted by the actions of what some would call very stable geniuses.”


    White Pendragons eh? Let's see what they've got to say for themselves.



    Nothing coherent, surprisingly.



    And angry gammon faced man. *shocked face*

    The People’s Bailiffs are taking back control.

    Of course they are. Oh, and a bunch of freeman of the land bollocks. The surprises keep coming!
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    Michael Deacon is live tweeting the ridiculous Thames fish protest.



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    Has Bob Geldof turned up yet?

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    It's interesting how a government can inflict harm on its own people for so long, in so many different ways, without the public consciousness being particularly bothered by it and without anyone taking particular notice, until something catches and it rolls into a scandal. The Windrush Scandal is long overdue, and could be seen as an inevitability when immigration policy is dictated by a handful of reactionary tabloid papers (which, incidentally, fewer and fewer people are actually reading). The government has been sailing on what it assumed to be clear anti-immigrant waters, unchallenged and occasionally buoyed by the opposition, but it has now hit a snag. It seems that the children of Windrush story has tipped the balance of what is considered decent. Maybe it is because Windrush was long enough ago that it is seeped into mainstream British identity. They are, in other words, 'the right sort of migrant'. I wonder how long this will keep in the headlines, and how long the blame can be shifted around between ministers. How have there not been any resignations yet? There are, of course, countless other examples of government policy destroying lives in the name of some temporary, sort-sighted, voter-grabbing ideology. I wonder whether they will be brought more into the light by this scandal. The fact that the conditions in detention centres are not headline news every day makes me sceptical (presumably those detained are not the 'right sort of migrant'). To pass the scandal off as the result of a bureaucratic error is to insult the intelligence of anyone who has even remotely followed government policy for the last 8 years. This sort of treatment of immigrants and refugees falls at the very centre of Home Office policy, implemented and strengthened when Theresa May ran that department. It is satisfying to see it blow up in her face in such a spectacular fashion, but why now? What is it about the conditions of this story and the context it sits in that has created this scandal? It is infuriating that the government have only turned now after causing so much pain and anxiety for so many in ways that are now irreparable.

    It wasn't more than a few weeks ago that a government adviser outed a whistle-bowler in an official statement signed off by the Prime Minister. The PM's glib response in Parliament when questioned on this ("I of course recognise the importance of ensuring that we do recognise that for some being outed as gay is difficult because of their family circumstances. What I want to see is a world where everybody is able to be confident in their sexuality and doesn’t have to worry about such things") was almost hilariously cack-handed. As a young(ish) gay man I'm lucky enough to not be able to remember that many examples of a government quite so brazenly outing someone for political advantage. It was disgusting.

    This is the government led by the same Theresa May who in 2002 set out to rid the Tories of their 'nasty party' image. She seems to be going a funny way about it.

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    I find it thoroughly depressing how this clown car of privileged, irresponsible, hateful bastards are able to just get away with this shit. May should have been ousted over any number of fuck-ups, not least the kicking they took in the GE, but no other fucker wants to carry the can for Brexit (not even the ones who supposedly want to leave the EU), and she can't reprimand or sack Boris or any other malcontents because their allies will make her life even more difficult.

    Basically we're fucked, because no-one has the courage to say actually, leaving the EU is going to be a catastrophe and it would be irresponsible for us to follow through on it. And every other invidious, hurtful policy or hateful action can just be allowed to churn through the news cycles without consequence.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg can fuck off especially.

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    In news that I am sure will surprise us all it turns out that Amber Rudd is a liar.

    Amber Rudd letter to PM reveals 'ambitious but deliverable' removals target
    The private letter from Amber Rudd to Downing Street in which she sets an “ambitious but deliverable” target for an increase in the enforced deportation of immigrants has been published by the Guardian in full for the first time.

    The letter, signed by the home secretary in January last year, states that she is refocusing work within her department to achieve the “aim of increasing the number of enforced removals by more than 10% over the next few years”.
    It is said that you shouldn't attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence. With this shower I don't know. Malicious and incompetent seems more likely.

    Not sure how I'm going to vote on Thursday. I don't have a Green candidate in my ward so voting with my party is out. My council is Tory controlled but my ward has a couple of Lib Dems that seem decent so I may go with them or just scrawl 'Green' or 'Fuck brexit' on the ballot sheet and make a donation to the Electoral Reform Society. Either way I don't have a voice in national or local politics.

    David fucking Lammy though!




    Yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg needs to fuck the fuck off permanently.

    ETA:

    Rudd's out.



    Just the rest of this shitshow of a government to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beanstew View Post
    Not sure how I'm going to vote on Thursday. I don't have a Green candidate in my ward so voting with my party is out. My council is Tory controlled but my ward has a couple of Lib Dems that seem decent so I may go with them or just scrawl 'Green' or 'Fuck brexit' on the ballot sheet and make a donation to the Electoral Reform Society. Either way I don't have a voice in national or local politics.
    My borough is Labour-controlled with Green as the second party. In 2014 the Labour majority in my ward was slim, so my vote might count in this one (how novel). I'll probably vote Green, given that they oppose the "rejuvenation" (i.e demolition) of the council estate I live on, which the Labour council approved last year. I have a bit more reading to do before I make my final decision on Thursday though.

    It was inevitable that Rudd would resign I suppose, but it was surprising how long it took. Did the Guardian have all those leaked documents in advance? Did they let her keep digging her heels in whilst knowing that they had evidence to prove that she was continually lying? Javid will be the first BAME Home Security, which after this scandal makes for good optics, but I don't like him at all. He was rotten as Business Security. One of those Randian market absolutists that spawned in the 80s. I'm sure he'll tread carefully at first but the Home Office is the Home Office and particularly under a Tory government it will always be the arm for state cruelty.

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