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    I agree with Kari, as well. Still, it will be interesting to see just how quickly McChrystal will be hired on as a commentator on Fox News.

    **Edit to add: OSNAP the best part of that statement to the press was the guy shouting "Mister President, is this war winnable?" as he was walking off. Good question, press dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    I agree with Kari, as well. Still, it will be interesting to see just how quickly McChrystal will be hired on as a commentator on Fox News.
    actually he was a Hillary fan, which may explain why there wasn't any mud flung in her direction in the RS article. But yeah, I imagine he'll be on Fox screaming about the injustices of it all soon. I thought maybe it was just hubris on his part originally, but from what I've read, he has always been about advancing his cause however he deemed necessary (leaks, etc) that while it could be expected from people in the political arena, is considered really bad form from the military.

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    I don't think McChrystal will run to Faux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPea View Post
    I completely object to the idea of McChrystal (wtf kind of name is that?) being fired over comments made to the media. It really goes in the face of freedom of speech and I think it'll just give the right wingers more fuel for their Socialism Bonfire.
    It's the military, freedom of speech rules don't necessarily apply. You can't have troops waving flags and protesting the war while fighting it. It's like a non-disclosure agreement at a private company, you give up certain rights. McChrystal was completely out of line, and he knows it.

    He should tender his resignation, and I liked what KO said last night, Obama should refuse to accept it, thereby squelching a right wing backfire.

    But that was not to be, McChrystal is out. I haven't read this yet.

    McChrystal out; Petraeus picked for Afghanistan

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    I learned in basic training that the UCMJ (Uniformed Code of Military Justice) doesn't permit such badmouthing of those in the higher ranks. I am sure the general had learned the same. Certain restrictions are placed on those "god given" freedoms in order to maintain cohesion. He violated the USMJ. Consequences follow.

    Edit, please forgive any typos and mistakes. I literally typed this same message 3 times as I hit "reply to message" for the first two times and the third time I hit delete by accident. Still getting used to the new forumz, I suppose.
    Last edited by entropy; 06-23-2010 at 08:07 PM. Reason: The first freedom should have been restrictions.

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    All right, I've been pondering this all day. I finally just had to take the politics out of it and look at a typical job situation...and I can't think of a single job where you could go badmouthing your boss or your boss's boss to a media outlet and still expect to have a job the next day. Also, loss of a job is not a removal of the right to free speech - being put in jail for it would be.

    So, I stand corrected.

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    ^ Exactly, Rum & entropy. A couple military people I know have said he could have been court-martialed for Conduct Unbecoming an Officer. He is not a private citizen.
    If he had issues, he should have talked to Obama, not freaking Rolling Stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarella View Post
    ^ Exactly, Rum & entropy. A couple military people I know have said he could have been court-martialed for Conduct Unbecoming an Officer. He is not a private citizen.
    If he had issues, he should have talked to Obama, not freaking Rolling Stone.
    not to mention this was basically his third strike. I'd be surprised if his resignation hadn't been accepted.

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    what do you guys think about Petraeus being his replacement? No offense to Petraeus, but I feel like we need some fresh ideas there. I am not sure Petraeus is the answer.

    Brian Williams was on MSNBC talking about this and he said something about Petraeus being the best answer to replace McChrystal because the average Joe on the street knows his name! WTF!
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    Fair question. I think Brian Williams' logic is terrible, but that Petraeus isn't a bad choice. I mean, Petraeus is a counter-insurgency expert, so that's going to help, I hope. The problem is that I don't know whether there IS a good choice, because I just don't know whether we should be there anymore. Blagh.

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    First McChrystal Burger and now Expecto Patraeus?

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    the right is mad, of course, not just because they hate everything Obama does anyway but also because it sends the clear message that the government runs the military, not the other way around. The little police-state reactionaries (the Tea Party) just hate that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum 509 View Post
    It's the military, freedom of speech rules don't necessarily apply. You can't have troops waving flags and protesting the war while fighting it. It's like a non-disclosure agreement at a private company, you give up certain rights. McChrystal was completely out of line, and he knows it.
    This.

    In military circles, there is absolutely no question McChrystal had to go after this. If Obama hadn't dismissed him, the president and his administration would have suffered a major, perhaps permanent loss of face with the military from generals on down to privates.

    Anybody talking about "freedom of speech" in this scenario is out of touch with military culture and protocol. And the rightwingers who are taking advantage of this to criticize Obama aren't Republicans or conservatives, they're fringe opportunist whack jobs. It's a deeply unfortunate position McChrystal put the administration and the entire effort in Afghanistan in, but I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican, there is only one thing to do when a general starts talking smack about his boss to fucking Rolling Stone. Obama did what he had to do.

    McChrystal is either dumb as a bag of hair or this was his way of shooting himself in the foot to get out of an unwinnable war. Either way, see ya, wouldn't want to be ya.

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    I do think his making those comments was pretty fucking stupid (or, really, allowing himself to be followed around by Rolling Stone was stupid), but I also didn't think any of them were all that inflammatory. But, yeah, the military rules do have that no bad-mouthing the bosses clause (and JayPea, you're right; I couldn't say shit about my boss in Rolling Stone and still have a job - or maybe I could; I work for an organization that does First Amendment stuff for media trade associations!).

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    General Stanley McChrystal banned Fox News from his headquarters, according to The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder.

    Ambinder wrote Wednesday (via Michael Calderone) that McChrystal is a liberal, and added in the detail about Fox News to flesh out the point:

    Even more about McChrystal: now it can be told. The story about him voting for Obama is not contrived. He is a political liberal. He is a social liberal. He banned Fox News from the television sets in his headquarters. Yes, really. This puts to rest another false rumor: that McChrystal deliberately precipitated his firing because he wants to run for President.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_623884.html

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