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    Her lack of compassion is shocking. It seems like she's so worried about maintaining her own "outsider" status that she's not willing to listen to other people who feel marginalized.

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    I don't know. I think "transwoman" and "transman" should count as separate genders. As a minister's daughter doctor, I have to say that my views tend to be shaped more by biology than social sciences. I strongly believe that there is a biological reason behind trans people's perception of their genetic and phenotypical gender not matching their true identity; we don't know the cause yet, but I'm sure it is there. At the same time, from a scientific point of view, I don't think we can completely overrule or deny genetics or phenotype. Basically, do I think, say, trans women are women in the same way cis women are? Nope. Do I think trans women are delusional men in dresses? Absolutely not. They exist outside the gender binary, and from where I stand, attempts to fit them into it tend to verge on doublespeak.

    I find it interesting that there's a lot of talk about misgendering of trans people by doctors. But the fact is, trans women are affected by men's health issues (say, prostate cancer), and transmen have to deal with women's health issues (say, cervical cancer). Biologically speaking, men don't get cervical cancer. Women don't get prostate cancer. Gynecologists aren't trained to deal with prostates, urologists aren't trained to deal with vaginas.

    I believe that recognition (and widespread acceptance) of two new, separate genders, I don't know, transmale and transfemale, for lack of better words, would do a lot of good. First of all, it would remove the need for "passing"; as we all know, most transwomen don't look like Janet Mock. It could lead to better healthcare, specifically tailored for the needs of the new genders. It would also help to remove suspicion on the part of cis people (like Germaine Greer) who feel that the essence of their gender is being undermined. And frankly, it would be more honest and realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I find it interesting that there's a lot of talk about misgendering of trans people by doctors. But the fact is, trans women are affected by men's health issues (say, prostate cancer), and transmen have to deal with women's health issues (say, cervical cancer). Biologically speaking, men don't get cervical cancer. Women don't get prostate cancer. Gynecologists aren't trained to deal with prostates, urologists aren't trained to deal with vaginas.
    Certainly different specialists focus on different parts of the body, but that's a separate issue from treating trans patients with respect. If you're a gynecologist treating a transman, and you continually refer to the patient as "she," after they've informed you that they use the male pronoun, that's disrespectful.

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    It's a bit more complicated than that. It's not just the pronouns the medical staff uses; in some hospital software systems, if you register a patient as male, you can't put in a gynecological diagnosis, as the system doesn't have that option. That leads to problems with insurance companies and coverage, statistics etc. There was a rather similar issue here some time ago, as there was no entry for breast cancer in men in the diagnostic code system (and yes, even cis men can get breast cancer). It goes far beyond doctors being insensitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    It's a bit more complicated than that. It's not just the pronouns the medical staff uses; in some hospital software systems, if you register a patient as male, you can't put in a gynecological diagnosis, as the system doesn't have that option. That leads to problems with insurance companies and coverage, statistics etc. There was a rather similar issue here some time ago, as there was no entry for breast cancer in men in the diagnostic code system (and yes, even cis men can get breast cancer). It goes far beyond doctors being insensitive.
    I agree that there's a lot that needs to change to accommodate transpeople. The insurance issues can really put folks in a difficult spot. You fight long and hard to finally get the gender marker on your driver's license changed, and now your insurance company is refusing to pay for a pap smear.

    I believe some healthcare settings are switching over to software that allows separate entries for gender and "sex at birth."

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