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    Kiss Your Rights Goodbye, America.

    Kiss your rights goodbye, America. Youre all terrorists now. (Obama could veto, veto could be overridden easily)


    Senate Votes To Let Military Detain Americans Indefinitely, White House Threatens Veto


    WASHINGTON -- The Senate voted Tuesday to keep a controversial provision to let the military detain terrorism suspects on U.S. soil and hold them indefinitely without trial -- prompting White House officials to reissue a veto threat.

    The measure, part of the massive National Defense Authorization Act, was also opposed by civil libertarians on the left and right. But 16 Democrats and an independent joined with Republicans to defeat an amendment by Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) that would have killed the provision, voting it down with 61 against, and 37 for it.

    "I'm very, very, concerned about having U.S. citizens sent to Guantanamo Bay for indefinite detention," said Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the Senate's most conservative members.

    Paul's top complaint is that a terrorism suspect would get just one hearing where the military could assert that the person is a suspected terrorist -- and then they could be locked up for life, without ever formally being charged. The only safety valve is a waiver from the secretary of defense.

    "It's not enough just to be alleged to be a terrorist," Paul said, echoing the views of the American Civil Liberties Union. "That's part of what due process is -- deciding, are you a terrorist? I think it's important that we not allow U.S. citizens to be taken."

    Democrats who were also concerned about liberties compared the military policing of Americans to the detention of Americans in internment camps during World War II.

    "Congress is essentially authorizing the indefinite imprisonment of American citizens, without charge," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who offered another amendment -- which has not yet gotten a vote -- that she said would correct the problem. "We are not a nation that locks up its citizens without charge."

    Backers of military detention of Americans -- a measure crafted by Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) -- came out swinging against Udall's amendment on the Senate floor earlier Tuesday.

    "The enemy is all over the world. Here at home. And when people take up arms against the United States and [are] captured within the United States, why should we not be able to use our military and intelligence community to question that person as to what they know about enemy activity?" Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said.

    "They should not be read their Miranda Rights. They should not be given a lawyer," Graham said. "They should be held humanely in military custody and interrogated about why they joined al Qaeda and what they were going to do to all of us."
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    I'm giving this its own thread because I think it's really important and I don't want it buried in the OWS thread.
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    O HAY GESTAPO HOW U DOIN.

    This is scary.

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    That's all good police state stuff right there.

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    Am I wrong in thinking that this is complete 1984 WAR IS PEACE society bullshit? We are not at war - this is the most aggravating direction, and what will stop it?

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    maybe people will finally fucking riot. If we're all going to be treated as terrorists...
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    But when our distaste for policy and corporate/Wall Street hegemony finally rises to fever pitch - we won't be able to riot! They're heading us off at the pass! We'll all be detained as enemies of the state; an official end to the Republic.

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    The Senator quoted is Rand Paul. (Ron Paul is his dad.)
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    I feel like this is basically Washington's response to OWS. Protesting is the new terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c33 View Post
    Oh. Oops. His son is another story. lol. But I know Ron Paul's position on civil rights, and my statement about him still stands.
    Ron Paul? Friend to David Duke? Guy who would have voted down the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...l-rights-act)? I think you mean he has a great record on protecting property rights, not civil ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    I feel like this is basically Washington's response to OWS. Protesting is the new terrorism.
    This was my exact thought when I first thought of this. It's the Terry Schiavo thing all over again: knee-jerk reaction laws that are really about one specific case but get applied across the board.

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    Well, under grand juries you can technically detain someone indefinitely so long as you find the person in civil contempt.


    I suppose this is different because it directly involves the military? I think the scariest part of the whole deal is that if this is like the USA PATRIOT act then, it doesn't need to be about terrorism. It can be drug related, esp. with the Drug War on the border.

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