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    Quote Originally Posted by menju56 View Post
    One thing that puzzles me about Venus generally is that "Glory of the 80s" isn't that popular. I think those are some great, imaginative lyrics there.

    Also, I think she looked great.



    I love the first pic, but I don't find the second one very flattering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIM View Post
    It's her worst album for Atlantic. Even SLG had New Age, and nothing on Venus is as good as that.

    Bliss, Suede, Spring Haze and Lust are my favorites, and the only songs that I actually feel and emotional connection with. Concertina and Glory of the 80s are bubblegum, which is ok too. Sometimes.
    I agree that this is the worst Atlantic era album, and actually think this is her 2nd worst album overall (above only ADP) and it's mainly because I don't feel an emotional connection to most of the tracks. I connect to Lust, the "little sister" part of Suede, the "is there room in your heart..." part from Datura, Spring Haze, and 1000 Oceans. This is the only album where it seems like Tori is a little disconnected from the songs and it feels like her least personal work (even including SLG). Juarez is amazing in solo form, but ruined by the album's production. TVAB isn't a bad album, but it hasn't aged as well as the others and it feels like there's no heart even if it's very interesting and complex on a lyrical and technical level.

    With regards to her look in this period, I think the haircut looks good in these photos but it wasn't great looking during the tour. I think a wig or extensions to the length in the first picture would work well now though and look more natural than the ADP/AATS looks.

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    This is the only album where it seems like Tori is a little disconnected from the songs and it feels like her least personal work (even including SLG). Juarez is amazing in solo form, but ruined by the album's production. TVAB isn't a bad album, but it hasn't aged as well as the others and it feels like there's no heart even if it's very interesting and complex on a lyrical and technical level.
    This is how I have always secretly felt about TVAB. It's got some great songs, but it's never touched me in the way the first four records did. The production on several of the songs sounds kind of tinny and sibilant to my ears. (Especially Concertina. I like Concertina but not the way it sounds.) With a couple of exceptions, the songs feel less personal and they're harder for me to connect to. To me, the record has always felt like it was a rush job, which puzzled me when the record came out but after reading PbP makes perfect sense, with all the record company contract stuff that was going on then.

    I've never been all that enamored of the live disc, either. I think that choosing highlights from various shows was a really good choice for her first live record, but personally I prefer the flow of a whole live show, flaws and all.

    That being said: Juarez. That song never fails to send chills down my spine. It's definitely one of my top ten from her whole catalog.

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    blasphemers! to my ears TVaB just sounds 'alive,' electric with inspiration, whereas her last few albums have felt largerly 'dead,' trudgey and forced-sounding.

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    I might be alone, but I think studio Juarez is flawless. I feel it absolutely captures the desolate, heartless sound she was trying to capture to illustrate the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headlikeahole View Post
    I agree that this is the worst Atlantic era album, and actually think this is her 2nd worst album overall (above only ADP) and it's mainly because I don't feel an emotional connection to most of the tracks. I connect to Lust, the "little sister" part of Suede, the "is there room in your heart..." part from Datura, Spring Haze, and 1000 Oceans. This is the only album where it seems like Tori is a little disconnected from the songs and it feels like her least personal work (even including SLG). Juarez is amazing in solo form, but ruined by the album's production. TVAB isn't a bad album, but it hasn't aged as well as the others and it feels like there's no heart even if it's very interesting and complex on a lyrical and technical level.
    wow, i totally disagree. so much of this album feels so raw and instinctual and close to her heart, she sounds so present. i love the production on Juarez, it totally evokes the desert, how her vocals almost sound like they're sticking together with the effect on them. i love the fact that she recorded them in such a short span of time, it seemed like she really let her guard down and allowed herself to experiment and be in the moment.

    i always loved this quote from her about it:

    “Everything seems to be moving so fast. Tragedies seem to be moving so fast; almost before we are able to ingest one, another one happens. Information travels so fast - but I don’t know if the heart adjusts that fast… I’ve been around the world seven times, and I’m always trying to go behind the heart, to the place where the unconscious lives. I don’t think it lives in the brain; I think it’s behind the heart… I can literally see Venus circling around the girl who’s singing, circling around her heart, seeing different perspectives.”[

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    she was actually made fun of back in the day because of that pic of her in the red outfit... but I loved how she looked back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brambles View Post
    wow, i totally disagree. so much of this album feels so raw and instinctual and close to her heart, she sounds so present.
    this is my second favorite album after choirgirl. She actually took risks with the sound in the record and I think it worked in her favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G. View Post
    I might be alone, but I think studio Juarez is flawless. I feel it absolutely captures the desolate, heartless sound she was trying to capture to illustrate the story.
    You're definitely not alone. I love both this one and the solo one (video posted on first page.) I think Venus is beautifully cold and icy and you're right, "Juarez" definitely feels desolate and heartless and cold and bereft and dark and beautiful.

    I understand where people are coming from when they say it sounds 'emotionless' but I don't necessarily agree. I enjoy the synths and electronics used here and think they suit the songs well.

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    Yeah, I really don't think it's emotionless; I think what she's trying to convey in the studio version is far different from what she's trying to convey in the solo live version. The live band performances from 1999 were my favorite though. I love how good the "no angel came for my little girl" improv at the end sounded with the band. Caton was really beneficial for Juarez too, I think.

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    I loved TVAB from the start. I actually saw her live for the first time that tour which was intense for me after 6 years of adoring her work. It was a graduation present to myself (along with seeing Rammstein that year). Juarez, Concertina, Suede, Josephine, Datura, Spring Haze are ! I didn't get into 1000 Oceans until I saw the video which added some depth for me. All in all one of my fave albums!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    I also saw what I consider the first glimpses of Fori. Glory of the 80's is the first real Fori song IMO - it's unbelievably trite and sounds like someone who is trying too hard to be cool and edgy.
    I wish Fori could / would write lyrics as good/interesting as Got80's.

    Also I am puzzled; people call it cold and icy, but I think it's her warmest pre-Scarlet album. Different folks have different ears I guess?

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    i love Glory of the 80s. it's silly and i love how tongue in cheek the whole thing is and a lot of it seems like her poking fun at herself. "my husband ran off with my shaman but they love me as i am" has always been one of my favorite lines.

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    I really don't get emotionless from Venus at all. For me, it's among her most moving work. It's in the tone and melody, even when it's not in the lyrics. I think it's just dripping with isolation, longing and regret. Even in an upbeat song, like Glory of the 80's, that chorus is terribly sad.
    When they're calling
    From the edge

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    oh, man, the desolation in spring haze? the despair in juarez? the fire-in-the-belly of bliss?

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