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    I wonder what TBK would have sounded like if she stripped back all the guitar, all the little unneccessary 'yai-da-dai-da' harmonies and all the sugary affectations. I think I'd like to hear her sing the album after a few bottles of her favourite chardonnay, completely stripped back at the piano, and maybe then we could judge the album fairly, but right now when I listen back I hear too much band, guitar and drum and a sickly sweet approach to everything.

    The album cover is sadly very reflective of the music, but I love some of the associated shots that were featured inside, many of which are superior to the chosen cover. I've also wondered why the piano book chose a different cover than the CD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyscape View Post
    I wonder what TBK would have sounded like if she stripped back all the guitar, all the little unneccessary 'yai-da-dai-da' harmonies and all the sugary affectations. I think I'd like to hear her sing the album after a few bottles of her favourite chardonnay, completely stripped back at the piano, and maybe then we could judge the album fairly, but right now when I listen back I hear too much band, guitar and drum and a sickly sweet approach to everything.

    The album cover is sadly very reflective of the music, but I love some of the associated shots that were featured inside, many of which are superior to the chosen cover. I've also wondered why the piano book chose a different cover than the CD?
    Listen to it like this:

    Parasol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDMnY1jmz_s
    Sweet the string https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LszOpIF5qts
    The power of orange knickers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayh_wvbPSZ8
    Jamaica Inn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnUYEOq-x7c
    Barons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYN-zbkoeDA
    Sleeps with butterflies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CH3vmEIpuk
    Mother revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm-GDmRx5yc or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBW_Zyw-uXY
    Cars and Guitars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnQqdPGS5A
    Original sinsuality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ec94D1_xk
    The beekeeper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qgk6UiS35A
    Goodbye Pisces https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1YvpWaq6ug
    Ribbons undone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHoMFqRYLw
    Martha's foolish ginger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY1tdpNcjBY
    Marys of the sea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu-jOg2Flq0
    Garlands https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlViHHN8rLQ
    Toast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P2ijTjYnxA

    I couldn't find a decent version of general joy solo from 2005 tour, but it was good, and there was a beautiful version of ireland on the organ, but it's not on the tube anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyscape View Post
    I've also wondered why the piano book chose a different cover than the CD?
    I've wondered that, too (and I'm grateful I don't have to look at that photo whenever I reach for the songbook). I can't help but think she must have had regrets about the cover; I sure would've.

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    I believe the Who Killed Amanda Palmer songbook also uses a different photograph. I don't think it's entirely unheard of

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    True, but all the rest of Tori's songbooks have the album cover on them. Who knows?

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    Yeah she said in an interview (I think) that the label chose the artwork, and she found out what they had chosen when it was already set to print or something like that. It was clear that they were trying to do everything in a hurry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inexcelsis17 View Post
    I've wondered that, too (and I'm grateful I don't have to look at that photo whenever I reach for the songbook). I can't help but think she must have had regrets about the cover; I sure would've.
    I think the cover was a poor choice. And baffling too, because some of shots from inside the CD inlay are actually really beautiful.

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    So I went back and listened to some of TBK (for the first time in a long time) after Cloud Riders was released because the organs reminded me a bit of the TBK era. A couple of things struck me:

    The production is very dry, especially Tori's vocals. Parasol was a highlight of the 2014 tour, but the album version is almost a different song. The vocals are dry and very up front. This problem plagues much of the album. The sound of the album just isn't very dynamic. I can't really listen to Barons of Suburbia because of the way the vocals sound.

    That said, there are some good production moments here and there. I really like the booming military drums on Martha's Foolish Ginger, and I like the way the organ is used throughout .

    To me, the sound of the album only really gels in two songs: the title track and Mary's of the Sea. Suddenly, the vocals sit more comfortably in the mix, and especially in MotS the sound of the band is expansive and dynamic.

    All of that said, there are some beautiful moments on the rest of the album (the bridge in Witness, the second half of Original Sinsuality, Toast) and a few really solid compositions (Toast, Jamaica Inn, Mother Revolution).

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyscape View Post
    I think the cover was a poor choice. And baffling too, because some of shots from inside the CD inlay are actually really beautiful.
    The tourbook was even more stunning! If the album artwork had been in the same style and quality of The Beekeeper tourbook, It wouldn't have near as much of a bad rep as it does now. It's seriously beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas View Post
    I can't really listen to Barons of Suburbia because of the way the vocals sound.
    The solo versions from the Australian 2009 tour were FIERCE!!

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - the problem with TBK and ADP, in 90% of cases, is not the songs themselves. They're good songs, but ruined in the studio. ADP has absolutely no depth or atmosphere at all - it sounds like it was recorded in a cupboard. But the songs themselves are all great for the most part.

    I don't know what it was, but something post-Scarlet marked a huge shift in her production choices. My other half asked if TBK was the first album she produced and recorded in her own studio and was shocked when I said "no, that was Choirgirl".

    When you consider that the same person produced Choirgirl, Venus and SLG (which are sonic perfection as far as I'm concerned) as well as TBK, ADP and UG, it's kind of shocking really in how...sloppy...they sound in comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venus_Envy View Post
    The solo versions from the Australian 2009 tour were FIERCE!!
    I've consciously avoided 2009 live recordings because I remember that as a low point of her live vocals, together with the promotional appearances for MWG with were just painful. I'll have to check out those Australian versions of BoS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas View Post
    I've consciously avoided 2009 live recordings because I remember that as a low point of her live vocals, together with the promotional appearances for MWG with were just painful. I'll have to check out those Australian versions of BoS
    Solo Australia was mental.

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    Blood Roses from Brisbane is mind blowing but I can't find in on the Tube of Youness.
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    Oh, The Beekeeper.

    When I became to listen Tori, I was a 15 year old teenager living in a small town at Brazil's countryside (still living in Brazil, moved to a much bigger city). Tori was like The Gospel for me. I come from a very religious family, and for a very long time I was shocked by her lyrics. But back to The Beekeeper: I was a pop music fan, having Madonna and Kylie as icons (still love both), and in some Madonna's brazilian forum, an user had Tori pictures as an avatar and signature, with lyrics of Father Lucifer. That sparked my curiosity and then I searched her last album, which at that time was The Beekeeper. Than I moved back on the discography (and had a hard time with Pele and UTP - love immensely both now). But The Beekeerper represents a shift for me, a personal, musical, shift. Parasol is my favorite song by anyone, because of all it represents in my life. I have a deep connection with it and was so glad to see it as a staple on UG's tour.

    If someday I have the chance to see Tori live and be in a M&G, I will totally request it.

    Of course there are some duds, personally I can't stand Hoochie Woman.

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