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    "The Beekeeper" turns 12 today!
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    huh. I might just have to give this one a spin today. Time has probably been a little kinder to this album than I would've thought back in 2005.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halo eighteen View Post
    huh. I might just have to give this one a spin today. Time has probably been a little kinder to this album than I would've thought back in 2005.
    Agreed! It's actually one of my favourites now. This is a bit I wrote about it over on rant the albums:

    I absolutely hated this record when it came out. I was an angry, bitter and confused 15 year old with bad hair, braces and hormones all over the place. 15 year old me did not want songs about bees, butterflies, sea fairies and my little fucking pony. I tossed it aside for years, only ever coming back to a handful of songs. I think I may possibly have also been slightly blinkered by the lukewarm fan reception too. However, on reflection as an adult, this is actually a really great album about marriage, motherhood, death and betrayal. It’s a bit long – I’d relegate some tracks to the b-sides pile. I think Tori kind of shot herself in the foot with the garden concept as that really doesn’t tie in with any of the themes on the album at all. It seems completely pointless and redundant, so much so that I forget it exists at times. I guess maybe she was in mother-protection-overdrive mode and trying to cover up how personal the album actually was by sticking a last minute, poorly thought out concept on it. But for all its flaws, I love it and it’s one I go back to regularly.

    The sad thing is, I don't passionately love anything she's done in the last 12 years! TBK is the last album I can say that I really love. There's been moments of greatness and individual tracks I've loved since, but The Beekeeper is really the last point in Tori's career that I regularly visit as a whole.
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    There's a poll going on on the Tori Amos & Fans facebook page, ranking The Beekeeper tracks. Some interesting results, here they are ranked in order of favourite to least as voted for:

    1. The Beekeeper
    2. Parasol
    3. Sleeps With Butterflies
    4. Original Sinsuality
    5. Garlands
    6. The Power of Orange Knickers
    7. Sweet The Sting/Jamaica Inn/Martha's Foolish Ginger (tied)
    8. Toast
    9. Mary's of the Sea
    10. Witness
    11. Baron's of Suburbia/Car's and Guitars (tied)
    12. General Joy/Goodbye Pieces (tied)
    13. Mother Revolution
    14. Ribbons Undone
    15. Ireland/Hoochie Woman (tied)
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    ^How is Garlands not higher than SWB?

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    We would do well to remember that we live in a bubble here on unf. As for Garlands and SWB, there are probably people who love the latter because it was a single and casual fans who never really listened to Garlands.

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    How is possible that Original Sinsuality is higher than Toast?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venus_Envy View Post
    There's a poll going on on the Tori Amos & Fans facebook page, ranking The Beekeeper tracks. Some interesting results, here they are ranked in order of favourite to least as voted for:

    1. The Beekeeper
    2. Parasol
    3. Sleeps With Butterflies
    4. Original Sinsuality
    5. Garlands
    6. The Power of Orange Knickers
    7. Sweet The Sting/Jamaica Inn/Martha's Foolish Ginger (tied)
    8. Toast
    9. Mary's of the Sea
    10. Witness
    11. Baron's of Suburbia/Car's and Guitars (tied)
    12. General Joy/Goodbye Pieces (tied)
    13. Mother Revolution
    14. Ribbons Undone
    15. Ireland/Hoochie Woman (tied)
    My ranking by categories is:

    Perfect, nothing to envy to older songs:

    1. Garlands
    2. The Beekeeper
    3. Parasol
    4. Toast

    Very good

    5. Marys of the sea (as a song it's perfect, but the mixing is a little muddy and her vocals sound tired to bits)
    6. Martha's
    7. Sweet the sting

    Good but with something I don't like (production or vocals)

    8. Barons of Suburbia (vocals)
    9. Jamaica Inn (production)
    10. Mother Revolution (vocals)
    11. Original Sinsuality (lyrics pun)

    Mediocre but definitely enjoayble

    12. General Joy (this could go into the upper category, it depends on my mood)
    13. Power of orange knickers
    14. Sleeps with butterflies
    15. Goodbye pisces
    16. Ireland (if it didn't had those backing vocals, the shanana's and the reggae guitar, it'd be a favourite of mine)

    Mediocre/potentially good but with something that just annoys me

    17. Cars and guitars
    18. Ribbons Undone
    19. Witness

    Kind of bad

    20. Hoochie woman
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    Justice for Goodbye Pisces!!!
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    I remember being around the AOL groups (I think it was) back when 'The Beekeeper' was coming out. It was my first exposure to the online Tori world, even though Scarlet was the first album I got new - I wasn't around the online community for that one.

    I remember "Sleeps With Butterflies" was pretty universally panned at the time and fans were really laying into the album. Unlike with a few albums recently where the dislike has taken a bit of time to grow and a lot of people were just excited to have new Tori music, TBK album and especially SWB was pretty much sh!t on from the word go.

    I seem to remember there was a warmer reception to "Sweet The Sting" and a lot of fans felt it should've been the lead off single instead.

    Personally, I've always liked 'Sleeps With Butterflies'. Sure, it's sickly sweet but it's at least genuine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carey View Post
    My ranking by categories is:
    For me, it's more like:

    Songs I love:

    Garlands
    The Beekeeper
    Original Sinsuality (gotta be the best vocal on the album!)

    Songs I love live and could really love with better production/mixing:

    Jamaica Inn
    Barons of Suburbia
    Parasol
    Orange Knickers
    Mother Revolution
    Martha's Foolish Ginger

    Songs that I thoroughly enjoy but would benefit from better production:

    Sweet The Sting
    Sleeps With Butterflies
    Cars & Guitars

    Songs that I'm kind of indifferent towards:

    General Joy
    Toast
    Mary's Of The Sea

    Songs that I don't really like but don't completely suck:

    Goodbye Pieces
    Ribbons Undone

    Songs that suck:

    Ireland
    Hoochie Woman
    Witness
    Last edited by Venus_Envy; 02-21-2017 at 11:07 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowgayngel View Post
    Justice for Goodbye Pisces!!!
    I like goodbye pisces, it's not bad at all. But you can't say it is exactly a hint of genius.
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    Don't think the songs are all that good, any of them, but some stand out as relatively good when compared to the bad stuff on this album.

    Like;
    Parasol
    Beekeeper
    Garlands

    Maybe like, but too many things wrong with it;
    Martha's Foolish Ginger
    Sweet the Sting
    Power of Orange Knickers

    For remixing purposes only;
    Hoochie Woman
    Not David Bowie
    Toast

    No! Just NOOOOOOOOOooooooo!!!;
    Sleeps with butterflies
    Original Sinsuality
    Mother Revolution
    Barons of Suburbia
    Jamaica Inn
    Marys of the Sea
    Dolphin Song
    Goodbye Pisces
    Ireland
    General Joy
    Cars & Guitars
    Ribbons undone
    Witness
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    LOVE:
    Toast
    Sleeps with butterflies
    Goodbye Pisces

    OK:
    Martha's Foolish Ginger
    Parasol
    The Power of Orange Knickers
    Hoochie woman
    Barons of Suburbia
    Witness

    I DON'T CARE:
    General Joy
    Sweet the Sting
    Mother Revolution
    Marys of the Sea
    Original Sinsuality
    Cars and Guitars

    OH GOD MAKE IT STOP
    Ribbons Undone
    Ireland
    Jamaica Inn
    The Beekeeper (it drags and goes nowhere. the live versions don't help at all)
    Garlands (yes, I don't like it at all)
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    LOVE:
    Toast
    Martha's Foolish Ginger
    Parasol
    Garlands
    General Joy
    Marys of the Sea

    LIKE:
    Goodbye Pisces
    Mother Revolution (used to not like it)
    Jamaica Inn
    Sleeps with butterflies

    DON'T CARE FOR:
    The Power of Orange Knickers
    Hoochie woman
    Barons of Suburbia
    Ribbons Undone
    Witness
    The Beekeeper (used to like it)
    Original Sinsuality
    Cars and Guitars (like the chorus vocals, but not the song)
    Ireland

    REALLY DISLIKE:
    Sweet the Sting
    Hoochie Woman
    Robbing the muse...

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