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    entertaining in its outrage Volta's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by toriMODE View Post
    I really love the Tony song and video I hate the person though lol.
    You hate Tonya Harding?
    They banned her from competition for life. Pretty harsh, harsher still was the PRO/AM ruling which said if a Professional event let her skate any amateurs (or Olympic eligible skaters) that skated with her at that event would be banned from competition, too.

    The pro/am ruling made it impossible for her to make money as a professional because no one could skate events with her. She did compete in 1999 at the EPSN Pro Classic but it was a very tiny event and it did not lead to the bigger pro events letting her in.

    It stings because Tonya and Nancy put skating on the map as far as ratings and tons of skaters that turned pro in 1994 got endorsements and money from events that was unheard of before that. A lot of people, many she never competed against, made bank off her demise. Became millionaires.
    And she never could.

    The last I heard Tonya was making money by doing yard work around Portland. Nothing against it.. and she said she likes the work but still.
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    I spent all day yesterday watching Youtubes of Tonya Harding. Yeah, I kinda hate her.

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    I really appreciate songwriters who can take a topic or a subject that you'd never expect to be made into a song and turn it into something specific and beautiful (hello, Kate Bush). I love that Tonya Harding song.

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    Did he write this because of the Tonya Harding movie?

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    Did he write this because of the Tonya Harding movie?
    Yes, apparently he contributed the song for the I, Tonya soundtrack but it was rejected.

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    Actually he didn't write it because of the movie, apparently he's been writing it for years, but did submit it to the music supervisor for the movie who said he couldn't find a way to work it into the movie:

    http://sufjan.com/

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    I've not seen I, Tonya but I don't understand why they couldn't throw his song somewhere in there. How many songs have been written for Tonya Harding? Seems like a misstep on their part.
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    Because if you're making a movie and have an artistic vision for it, you're not just going to "throw" a song into it that doesn't fit your vision, even if you respect the artist and like the song. On what basis are you suggesting it's a misstep? You haven't seen the movie, so you can't be saying that it would have been perfect in X or Y scene... so what's the misstep exactly? That a few hundred Sufjan Stevens fans in the world like the song? Your post makes no sense.

    I love how earnest Sufjan can be at times, like this song. I feel it's an authentic expression of admiration for Tonya, like a fan letter. It acknowledges her role in the ruination of her career, it acknowledges the complications and drama surrounding her, but more than anything it's a love letter that shines a light on her achievement and the hurdles she overcame to get so far.

    And that routine is truly spectacular. It's mesmerizing and hypnotic, as is the song. I know nothing about the sport, but all I could ever wish for myself, my friends or loved ones is that moment of pure joy where she realizes she completely landed her routine, in each of our respective careers. The successful prosecution or defense of a case, the hard earned promotion, the saving of a life, whatever it may be. The gratitude of that, the pride, the humility, the uncomplicated joy.

    I can't seem to find it now, but "John at AKR" who made the video pointed out in some article or statement that the song is in fact timed with that routine. I may never have picked up on that, but once you know to look for it, it's unmistakeable. How fucking cool is that?

    Can any other songwriter match what Sufjan achieves in capturing the poignancy and complexity of human beings, being at once worthy of love, but capable of the worst of what humanity delivers? He really kind of owns that market to me and this song is a brilliant example of it.

    (It also makes me really wish he had created an "Oregon" record, which I guess Carrie & Lowell kind of is.)

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    I've had this in my head for days. One of my favorite parts is the electronic sounds, how they sort of sound like skates on ice. Sufjan is the best.

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    Oooo I just bought the single from iTunes (I know, I know) but it comes with an alternate version of the song which is really cool too!

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    Finally listening to Greatest Gift (have been waiting for it to come out on vinyl). I love it! So atmospheric. And the artwork at vinyl scale is truly wonderful.

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    I remember loving Tonya's athleticism back in the day. I am a figure skating fan to the point where I can reliably identify most of the jumps (I sometimes mistake Lutzes for flips and vice versa if I'm not watching closely, but I guess many others do that). People were a lot more focused on the grace aspect, and I never gave a shit; I'm like, jump already, for fuck's sake. I loved Surya as well.

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    Which Tonya Harding? D Major, or Eb Major?



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    I definitely prefer D major, but it's really cool to hear both!

    I made a playlist of all the new Sufjan tracks (in no particular order, I've been listening in shuffle mode):

    Visions of Gideon
    Mystery of Love
    Tonya Harding (D major)
    Tonya Harding (Eb major)
    Wallow Lake Monster
    The Greatest Gift
    Exploding Whale (Doveman Remix)
    The Hidden River of My Life
    City of Roses

    ... And OMFG I love these songs. Mystery Of Love makes me cry. One question - why do you think he sings the line "cursed by the love that I received, from my brother's daughter?" He also sings "My brother had a daughter, the beauty that she brings, illumination" in Should Have Known Better. I'm intrigued but I don't understand the reference in either of these songs.

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