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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    I guess I'm a huge racist because I still don't see how anyone lip syncing to a pop song is racist, at least not in the way it was done here. I don't see anyone in the video mocking black women or using offensive stereotypes. I keep hearing that this song is not for white people, it's for women of color. Are women of color the only ones allowed to listen to the song? To sing the song? To make videos dancing to the song? Once you put something out into the world as a single promoting your album, won't others hear it and enjoy it?

    I read an article about it that took offense even to the "¡Hola!" shirt that Goldie Hawn was wearing because it was appropriating latinx culture and I JUST CAN'T. Now I can't wear a shirt with anything but English writing on it if I'm white? It's so hard to take these think pieces seriously.
    I completely agree. The thing about great writing, be it song lyrics, poetry or prose, is that people can find ways of relating to it which have little to do with what the author was going through while creating that work. People apply their own experiences to the text, because there is a feeling, a notion, and idea that permeates it and transcends the original meaning. Let me give a classic faerie winging example - "when you're only wet because of the rain". Now, I'll never know what it's like for a vagina to get wet, but I can certainly relate to the feeling of suddenly realizing that something doesn't do it for me anymore, no matter how much I'd want things to be the way they used to be or I thought they were. Anyone can.

    Another thing - we live in a culturally globalized world. Even in countries where the number of black people is statistically insignificant, people listen to, say, Beyonce. Formation gets tons of airplay. Lemonade is essentially a concept album about what a woman goes through upon finding out her husband cheated on her. That's a pretty universal experience; knowing (white) women who have lived through similar things, as I was listening to the album for the first time, pretty much every song reminded me of different stages they had gone through, and what struck me was how well and accurately everything is captured in those lyrics. As for Formation, while the lyrics mention specific elements of black identity and culture, I think it has notions and ideas to which many people, regardless of race, can relate: being proud of yourself, of your culture, your ethnicity, your traditions, your appearance, your professional abilities, you name it. Not allowing society to define you in a negative way. Rising above it all.

    Besides, if you're a top-selling artist, chances are you make most of your money by reaching a wide audience which nearly inevitably includes (or, like in Europe, for instance, consists overwhelmingly of) white people. Once they pay for your music and buy tickets for your shows, you can't tell them "oh, but this is not for you, it's not about you". Obviously, it's not ok to mock or stereotype a certain culture, race or ethnicity, or to use a song for nefarious purposes (say, at a Trump rally), but this was clearly not the case in the Amy Schumer Formation video - hell, if anything, it looked like a tribute to me. In a world where minorities of all kinds have to deal with all sorts of real issues and prejudice, this whole cultural appropriation nonsense only serves to take the focus off those matters and trivialize real struggles.

    Also, the word "hola" is not an emblem of "latinx" culture, it is the Spanish word for hello. You know, Spanish, a language that comes from a country called Spain, where surely, they sell zillions of t-shirts like those to countless tourists; I'm sure you can get Bonjour t-shirts in France, Ciao t-shirts in Italy etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    In a world where minorities of all kinds have to deal with all sorts of real issues and prejudice, this whole cultural appropriation nonsense only serves to take the focus of those matters and trivialize real struggles. .
    The great travesty of this whole event is you've got marginalized classes turning on other marginalized classes. Let's fight the real enemy shall we, and clobber the wannabe pussy grabber in chief?

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    White Baton Rouge Judge Calls Black Woman the N-word at Local Restaurant

    Johnson says she and the driver share the seat until he leaves. “I’m halfway on the seat and the Lyft driver is on the other half of the seat. Then he asked for his jacket. All of a sudden I hear this older man behind me tell the Lyft driver, ‘You never give up your seat for a n*gger.'”

    Johnson later learned that the man hurling the racial slur was Judge Mike Erwin.

    As Johnson and the driver sat side by side, the older man continues, “You should have made her get her fat n*gger a** up.”
    So. Many. People to hate lately. At least they're coming out of the woodwork.*

    *ie, not hiding and pretending they're not racist

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    Coming soon: the "if anyone was offended" fake apology.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

    Barack Hussein Obama

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    Charles Murray is pushing his racist Bell Curve theory again. Unsurprisingly, New Atheist guru and Islamophobe Sam Harris has hopped on board.

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    I feel like this shit should be in the terrorism thread too, but 2 people were killed (had their throats slashed) by an Islamaphobe in Portland, when they intervened to stop him from yelling racist shit at two Muslim women.

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    That's a really scary story. I mean, if I saw someone harassing a Muslim, I'd probably speak up.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

    Barack Hussein Obama

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    Trevor Noah talking about racism in police departments and how many times he has been pulled over since coming to the US. I've been pulled over just a couple times (which I deserved) and I've been driving since before any of us knew who Tori Amos was.

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    St. Louis is going to have some issues this weekend...and rightfully so.

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...78078c8cb.html

    For context, a white cop killed an African-American man after a chase. The officer was heard on the dash cam saying he was going to kill him. He allegedly planted a gun in the suspect's car to claim he feared for his life being why he shot him. The officer waived a jury trial and the judge today rendered a Not-guilty verdict. There have already been protests because of how long that decision took to come down (somewhere just above 30 days).

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    Meanwhile, at the US Air Force Academy.

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    Having been on multiple air bases and attending several USAF events and graduations, I can tell you that a huge number of airmen are black and Latinx. There are also lots of gay, lesbian, and trans members. It’s always infuriating to me when racists and bigots scream about patriotism from their recliners, when the people comprising most of the military they so dearly love (so they claim) are the ones who they’d look down on.

    That response was a relief to read, and what I would expect. I have met so many incredible, thoughtful, intelligent, all-around beautiful young people in the USAF and Navy. They are from all backgrounds and walks of life. The diversity was really incredible. It’s no surprise there are racist assholes embedded in every profession in this country, but it’s refreshing to hear people explicitly say they refuse to tolerate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    H a huge number of airmen are black and Latinx. There are also lots of gay, lesbian, and trans members.
    Or, as Trump voters would call them, cannon fodder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post

    That response was a relief to read, and what I would expect. I have met so many incredible, thoughtful, intelligent, all-around beautiful young people in the USAF and Navy. They are from all backgrounds and walks of life. The diversity was really incredible. It’s no surprise there are racist assholes embedded in every profession in this country, but it’s refreshing to hear people explicitly say they refuse to tolerate it.
    In my time in the USAF, racism and sexism wasn't tolerated in the slightest. We had a guy in my shop make an off the cuff racist remark. He was reprimanded and sent to sensitivity training. I had an older contractor say some sexist bullshit to me. He was made to apologize, and he was only kept around because he was literally the only person that could do his job.

    And more ranting...
    I think the thing that pisses me off the most is that people feel like they can talk for vets and services members. As you said we come from all walks off life and from all backgrounds. I feel the most unpatriotic thing anyone could do is dictate to me what it means to be an American and how to best honor those who have lost their lives while wearing the uniform. I do not feel like you are disrespecting my fellow Airmen, my coworkers from this deadly plane crash when you stand up for what you believe in and take a knee.

    I wish people would read this: U.S. Army veteran Nate Boyer convinced Colin Kaepernick to kneel, rather than sit, while protesting police brutality during the national anthem.

    I read comment somewhere that basically said if you care so much about Vets you should donate, lobby for VA changes and funding, and volunteer. Nope, it's just safer and more comfortable to bitch from the sofa.
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    Glad to see Silveria standing up for the black cadets, especially after watching the PBS documentary about the Vietnam war last week. A lot of good ol' boys from the South were using Confederate flags to scorn and intimidate the black troops. It's long past time for that shit to stop.

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    So, a bunch of white supremacists harassed an Australian senator when he was in a pub by following him and continuously asking him "What race is Islam". He showed a lot more composure than I would by not really engaging with them, then a fellow MP appears in front of the phone and asks "What race is dickhead?". Did I forget to mention the racists assholes was filming this with a phone the entire time? I cannot believe the entitlement and audacity of these assholes to think that this is o.k., and also record it?

    And people fear muslims, and yeah, I get it - ISIS style of terrorism is a real threat here in Europe, but at the same time one should not ignore what's happening on the white-supremist/nationalists, as they have been slowly reappearing and being more vocal since the economy crisis in 2008/9 and specially because of the refugee crisis. The latter showed a lot of people their true racist colours.

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