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    My Father, Woody Allen, and the Danger of Questions Unasked

    But the old-school media's slow evolution has helped to create a culture of impunity and silence. Amazon paid millions to work with Woody Allen, bankrolling a new series and film. Actors, including some I admire greatly, continue to line up to star in his movies. "It's not personal," one once told me. But it hurts my sister every time one of her heroes like Louis C.K., or a star her age, like Miley Cyrus, works with Woody Allen. Personal is exactly what it is — for my sister, and for women everywhere with allegations of sexual assault that have never been vindicated by a conviction.

    Tonight, the Cannes Film Festival kicks off with a new Woody Allen film. There will be press conferences and a red-carpet walk by my father and his wife (my sister). He'll have his stars at his side — Kristen Stewart, Blake Lively, Steve Carell, Jesse Eisenberg. They can trust that the press won't ask them the tough questions. It's not the time, it's not the place, it's just not done.

    That kind of silence isn't just wrong. It's dangerous. It sends a message to victims that it's not worth the anguish of coming forward. It sends a message about who we are as a society, what we'll overlook, who we'll ignore, who matters and who doesn't.

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    It's interesting that his piece got that headline. Half of the comments say, "Yeah, he's Frank's kid."

    There was one very interesting comment that remembered a character from Bullets Over Broadway, a pretentious playwright (played by Rob Reiner) who says, "An artist creates his own moral universe." The line seems to mock the character (who takes pride in the fact that his plays are never produced and impossible to understand), but honestly, Allen's behavior makes it clear that HE believes that, and of course, it's complete bullshit. I mean, even leaving the alleged molestation out of the equation, his behavior has been reprehensible. I love how people assert that, since Soon-Yi was legally an adult and "not really his daughter", his taking up with her was OK. Well, it wasn't OK. Anyone not completely up his own ass would have realized how hurtful that would be to the people who actually WERE his children. And, of course, he may well have molested Dylan.

    I dunno. I'm just kind of done with him. He's made some great movies (IMO as recently as Blue Jasmine), but I just wish he'd go away. Of course, thanks to Amazon, we'll be seeing a lot of him in the months ahead.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

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    I don't really understand Ronan Farrow's position. Other than that he's completely supporting his sister, which of course I do understand. But why does he expect that people who don't know any of the involved parties are going to refuse to work with Woody Allen? And furthermore, why does it really matter? Why should the press ask Jesse Eisenberg "tough questions" about events that took place probably before he was born? Or was just a small kid. This rhetoric about "believe the victims" only makes sense to me if I know the person who is claiming assault. If my friend or family member says "this happened to me, please believe me," I'm absolutely going to believe them unless I'm given solid reasons not to. But the feeling I get from Farrow's letter and just the general rhetoric surrounding this issue is that we are supposed to "believe" people who bring forth claims of abuse, even when we have no connection directly to anyone involved. Which is nuts. Mia Farrow seems to me to have personality problems (that's just my obviously limited observation, sorry) and she had a motive for bringing forth accusations against Woody Allen. Definitely not saying that Allen is innocent, because i dont know, but I also don't know why Ronan Farrow finds it so important that "Hollywood" shun him. That's not the way you seek justice for an assault or a crime. I know some of you will think I'm "concern trolling" but I honestly don't get it. Again, I do understand Farrow standing by his sister of course but this idea that society at large is supposed to ignore the judicial process and "believe" people we don't know with little or no evidence is a problem. Obviously there are cases like Bill Cosby where you weigh the credibility of all of these people who have little to nothing to gain from coming forward against the presumption of innocence. But again, in a he said/she said situation where a clear motive for false accusation is there, I think "believing the victim" carte blanche is foolish.

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    I don't really understand Ronan Farrow's position. Other than that he's completely supporting his sister, which of course I do understand. But why does he expect that people who don't know any of the involved parties are going to refuse to work with Woody Allen? And furthermore, why does it really matter? Why should the press ask Jesse Eisenberg "tough questions" about events that took place probably before he was born?
    I agree with this. Ronan Farrow definitely has a right to hate the guy, but why are the people collaborating on his movies getting asked about his personal past? And as creepy as Allen is, the accusations against him are more dubious than the Cosby case, for example. I don't know who to believe. It's very easy to side against him after the Soon-Yi fiasco, but as far as the law goes, they were two consenting adults at the time, as cringy as that situation was.

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    I agree. It's incredibly important that victims of abuse are taken seriously by law enforcement and that accusations are investigated thoroughly, but the idea that society at large should be morally obligated to shun individuals accused of crimes when there's no judicial ruling against them seems problematic to me. That's not how it should work in a country ruled by law. It's an imperfect system, where some kinds of people are more likely to get away with crimes that are hard to prove than others, but it's the best system we've got.

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    I completely agree, but as you pointed out, the hard part is that the rich and elite amongst us will always (almost anyway) get away with this shit, even when they are guilty as sin. For me, Allen's open and longterm friendship with convicted uber-wealthy pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is the last straw. That, and the fact that once upon a time long ago in New York City, he harassed me in a restaurant. He sat there staring at me for like an hour from his table about ten feet behind my parents, while I futilely tried to eat and act normal. We were just tourists. We hadn't known he was there. I was the only one facing his direction; my parents couldn't see anything, and I was scared to say a word. I was 13. Then he sent his huge, thuggish bodyguard over to harass me and threaten my parents with expulsion from the restaurant--because it was very hot and I was desperately fanning myself with a napkin, which, the bodyguard said, bothered Mr. Allen. All the while Allen kept on staring at me.

    This was arguably the most fucking bizarre, surreal thing which has ever happened to me. My parents are both gone now, but a couple of years before my Mum died, we talked about it again. "Did that really happen?!" I asked. She confirmed that I wasn't crazy or imagining things, and that ever since then, she could never watch a Woody Allen film. Neither can I. He is one creepy guy. Honestly I think the whole little episode was some kind of weird dominance test of myself and my parents, and luckily for us, we failed it by getting up and leaving. I wonder how many other ordinary people have unsavory stories about Allen from long before social media, stories we've never heard? Food for thought.

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    Now that NUHN has been banned, I just want to leave this right here.

    I think if Mia had really been concerned about child abuse, she might have been honest about this charge against her brother. As much as I hate Woody Allen for his creepiness in any number of circumstances, I think Mia was lying like a rug when she accused him of molesting Dylan. I think she was perfectly willing to conflate her charges against Allen with someone she knew all too well was a serial abuser, yet never mentioned him.

    Villiers-Farrow entered an Alford plea in July to two counts of child abuse in the molestation of two 10-year-old boys who were his neighbors in Anne Arundel County, Md., in 2002.
    He had faced 39 counts. Authorities say he abused one victim for seven years, beginning when the boy was nine, and abused another boy from the ages of 8 to 13.
    An Alford plea means the suspect does not admit guilt, but concedes there is enough evidence for a conviction.
    Villiers-Farrow was arrested in November following an investigation that began when two men came forward in August 2012. At the time, Anne Arundel County police had recently received information that several children were sexually abused in the Edgewater area.

    According to court documents, the boys were abused in Villiers-Farrow's home, and a few times in a nearby camper. The victims told police that Villiers-Farrow would show them pornographic movies. The encounters escalated to touching and then to oral sex, the documents said.
    Villiers-Farrow made headlines in 1992 when he commented on the controversy surrounding sister Mia's custody battle with Woody Allen, and Allen's relationship with Farrow's adopted daughter Soon-Yi. At the time, Villiers-Farrow told People magazine, Allen "is going to be indicted, and he's going to be ruined. I think when all of it comes out, he's going to go to jail."
    Source: Mia Farrow's Brother Sentenced for Child Sex Abuse - NBC4 Washington http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/lo...#ixzz4vDagEyBE
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    So WA's name has come up a lot this week, which isn't surprising. (A lot of Polanski mentions, too.) So this popped up in my Twitter feed today. The whole thread is quite interesting, and I think indicative of how thinking is changing.)

    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

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    New essay from Dylan Farrow. Brings her story into the current context. Drags Kate Winslet, Blake Lively, and Greta Gerwig; praises Ellen Page (who worked with WA once but later expressed regret for doing so), Jessica Chastain, and Susan Sarandon.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

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    I don't think his enablers are as culpable as him, but I do agree with this point. Like they're not as bad as him, but it's not like they didn't know when they worked with him after the 90s.


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    Dylan Farrow is a badass. She has been so brave in the face of not only horrific abuse, but the world rewarding and embracing her abuser for her entire life. She, Mia Farrow and Ronan Farrow are true warriors, and they deserve nothing but respect and support. That is all.

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