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    That is horrifying. And legally, although IANAL, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

    All those asshats complaining how the taping of Mel's tirades against Oksana were illegal, etc,... Well, I hope they get all up in arms about this person's right to privacy too.

    I wonder if there is an appeals process. And at least it was a jury and not a judge. Juries can be stupid *cough oj cough*

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    IANAL? is this a new Apple product?

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    She better be appealing that decision. WTF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anj View Post
    IANAL? is this a new Apple product?

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    lol Sorry. I Am Not A Lawyer. I see it on my other boards so much I didn't think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet View Post
    All those asshats complaining how the taping of Mel's tirades against Oksana were illegal, etc,... Well, I hope they get all up in arms about this person's right to privacy too.
    REALLY good point. (I'm afraid though that they'd put this woman in the same category as Oksana. Err - women.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet View Post
    That is horrifying. And legally, although IANAL, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
    I wonder if there is an appeals process. And at least it was a jury and not a judge. Juries can be stupid *cough oj cough*
    There's definitely an appeals process. I'm not a lawyer either, but I work with them and on legal stuff. I'm assuming this is the first trial, and if I've learned this right, she was just in district court. So, I think she appeals to whatever circuit (federal) court serves that area. If the circuit court doesn't go her way, she could petition for a re-hearing en banc (when people say, for instance, "The Ninth Circuit ruled . . ." they're usually talking about a 3-judge panel of the circuit court; en banc means that all the circuit judges - I think there are nine? - re-hear the case). Then I believe she'd go to the state Supreme Court. Or, if she won at the circuit court, Girls Gone Wild would probably appeal, and it would still go to the state Supremes. If there are inconsistencies in the district, circuit or state SC rulings, she could petition the Supreme Court and they decide whether or not to hear the case. If they deny it, whatever the last ruling was stands.

    But I could be wrong in the order or missing something somewhere. Either way, it's complicated and expensive. GGW has the money, but I don't know how this woman is being represented and if she can afford the appeals process.

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    ^ I feel like some group could step in to help though, right? I'm sure some organization is going to be concerned about the precedent.

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    My Fault, I'm Female. It'd be funny if it wasn't so bloody depressing.

    15 Aspects That Must Be Recognized in Third Wave Feminism Must? Some of these points I can get behind.

    FEMINIST HULK HAVE TWITTER FEED. FEMINIST HULK SMASH UNEXAMINED PRIVILEGE, PATRIARCHY. ALSO CAPITALIZE ALL WORDS EXCEPT bell hooks.

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    That 15 Things link has been posted twice now

    14. There is nothing wrong with choosing to live in a traditional lifestyle (being a stay-at-home mom, wearing a burqa, having the male in a heterosexual relationship be the breadwinner, etc.), but there are major problems with expecting it and castigating those who do not fit into it. This being said, people who choose to live in traditional lifestyles must respect others choices as well.
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    ^And how apt. Is there currently any discussion on these forumz about the burqa debate going on the UK? (I use the term 'debate' loosely). I've looked in Politics and OIT and I can't find anything. If not, I'll start a new thread. The fact that it's even being discussed as a serious topic astounds me.

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    ^Ahh, skipped over that one. Tah! [/hijack].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarella View Post
    They said she gave implicit consent by being at the bar, and by participating in the filming - though she never signed a consent form, and she can be heard on camera saying "no, no" when asked to show her breasts.[/URL]

    This makes me ill. Basically the court ruling was "SHE ASKED FOR IT!"
    How the FUCK is whether or not she gave conset debatable? She is heard on the video saying no. What the cunt does it matter what she was wearing or where she was dancing? Whether or not she was aware filming was occurring, whether or not she was happily dancing and/or playing up to the camera, she clearly said NO to exposing her breasts.

    Not only does this make me ill, it angers the living fuck out of me, and truth be told, scares me a little too.

    Thanks Joe Francis, for ruining my Sunday morning glow, you fucktard you.

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    ^It's a precise demonstration of what feminists mean when they use the term 'rape culture'. Your consent is not required. Consent will be assumed when it is convenient for consent to be assumed (ie. in a court of law, to get your attacker freed) and no 'NO' is or will ever be loud enough or strong enough to override this assumption which is based on a set of constantly shifting sands. This case just makes it very obvious, but it's exactly the same set of attitudes thrown at pretty much any victim of any sexual assault by 'nice' people across the globe. Ooh, if she didn't want to be raped, why did why go there, do that, drink this, dance with him, sleep with him before, not be a virgin, be a virgin, be at that party, etc etc.

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    Oof. My (normally pretty intelligent) seventeen year-old cousin and I were talking about Mad Men the other day, and Don's rape-fingers with Bobby, and she kept telling me "I don't think it's rape if you're not screaming and yelling - how are they supposed to know you don't want it otherwise?".

    No matter how much I try to tell her that the default for women should not be "dickable until otherwise notified", she seems set in this view. It's sad to see rape-culture so indoctrinated in someone so young.

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