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    Homeopathy - It works so well that having none is even better

    A British MP, for my leafy home constituency, defends homeopathy from "attacks" it is receiving from the Not So Easily Lead Community, with amusingly illustrative audio annotations of fact infringements added for good measure:


    http://soundcloud.com/kooshster/davi...10-plus-buzzer

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    But Pete, how can you be so closed-minded? What's wrong with 18th century discredited 'science'? What's wrong with trying to treat serious ailments with sugar pills dabbed with water that's been banged on a leather mat?

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    Oh for Christ's sake.

    Doctors warn over homeopathic 'vaccines'

    Homeopaths are offering "alternative vaccinations" which doctors say could leave patients vulnerable to potentially fatal diseases, a BBC investigation has found.

    Three practitioners admitted giving patients a homeopathic medicine designed to replace the MMR vaccine.

    Inverness-based Katie Jarvis said she only offered "Homeopathic Prophylaxis" to patients who expressed an interest.

    But the discovery has prompted a shocked reaction from doctors.

    When asked about the practice, Ms Jarvis said: "The alternative that I would offer would be a homeopathic remedy made from diseased tissue, that comes from someone with that disease, and then made into potentised form so that is given in a homeopathic remedy.

    "It can be given instead of, or as well as, the vaccination.
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    "I'm not advocating that they do not take the vaccination, I am providing support for those who choose not to by giving them an alternative."

    When asked if the homeopathic remedy offered the same protection as the MMR, she replied: "I'd like to say that they were safer, but I can't prove that."

    However, the BMA's director of science and ethics, Dr Vivienne Nathanson, said: "Replacing proven vaccines, tested vaccines, vaccines that are used globally and we know are effective with homeopathic alternatives where there is no evidence of efficacy, no evidence of effectiveness, is extremely worrying because it could persuade families that their children are safe and protected when they're not.

    "And some of those children will go on to get the illness, and some of those children may go on to get permanent life-threatening sequelae, or even to die, and that's a tragedy when the family think they've protected their children."
    Katie Jarvis Katie Jarvis said she had protected herself against flu with homeopathic treatments

    Sequelae is a pathological condition resulting from a previous disease or injury.

    The practice of replacing conventional vaccines with homeopathic alternatives has been condemned by the Faculty of Homeopathy.

    It said there was no evidence for homeopathic treatments being able to protect against diseases, and said patients should stick to conventional medicines.

    Replacements for vaccines were also dismissed by the UK and Scottish governments but many homeopaths believe that remedies can help lessen the side effects of conventional vaccination.

    The BBC Scotland programme examined claims that members of a small organisation, the Homeopathic Medical Association - which has about 300 members across the UK - were offering replacement vaccines.

    It approached the association's six members in Scotland. Three of them said they provided the MMR remedies to patients and said they would be happy to do so again.

    Ms Jarvis also claimed she could protect patients against other diseases, like polio, tetanus and diphtheria. She claimed she had protected herself against flu with homeopathic treatments.

    NHS Highland - the health board covering Inverness - said it was considering withdrawing funding for homeopathic preparations.

    Bosses will make a decision on the matter at the board's meeting in October.

    Chief operating officer Elaine Mead said: "It is important that NHS Highland can demonstrate the quality and clinical effectiveness of all of the treatments currently provided at times of more scarce resource.

    It is right that we re-look at any investment in this area in the light of the current debate between clinical groups."
    Anyone that does this deserves whatever disease they end up getting. It's their kids I feel sorry for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAE View Post
    Anyone that does this deserves whatever disease they end up getting. It's their kids I feel sorry for.
    It's not even just their kids. It's any kid too young to be vaccinated who is unfortunate enough to be anywhere near these idiots and their offspring.

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    ^Yes, or the immune impaired - children or adults.

    As for homeopathic vaccinations, these people should be locked up for the public good. They clearly don't understand what vaccination actually IS. I can never get over these people being allowed to act as doctors. They have zero real medical qualifications and a special need to prove it.

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    OH MY GOD.

    Homeopathic belladonna teething tablets are recalled because they contain fucking belladonna.

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    To be fair, nightshade probably does make teething less painful. Baby's just way too fucking high to give a fuck about dem teeths.

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    Did you read the comments after that article? Wow.

    To be fair though, I can understand why people try this stuff since some of the meds given by doctors can have such nasty side effects (I'm looking at you Coumadin). I'm not talking about vaccines. They are necessary IMO. However without proper regulation of the homeopathy products, danger Will Robinson - at least potentially.

    Seriously- most of you all have valid points but why is it that so many people seem to feel the need to take things instead of letting their bodies take care of themselves?
    Hm. If I had tried that in August, I wouldn't be posting here today. I'd be dead. Really.

    Regarding teething, my Mom just used to rub whiskey on our gums. Maybe that's why I don't like it today.
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    Anything that contains an active substance - whether 'natural' or not - will have side effects. They're not the perogative of pharmaceuticals. The side effects of fucking around with certain otherwise useful herbs - for example comfrey, can be severe, including liver damage and death.

    Of course homeopathics pills don't have side effects because there's nothing actually in them except sugar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAE View Post
    Homeopathic belladonna teething tablets are recalled because they contain fucking belladonna.
    So they were even failing to homeopothize it to nothingness? They were accidentally selling what they claimed to be selling, rather than the plain water that everyone knows they intended to sell? My head hurts, I need some water that can remember being asprin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gog View Post
    Anything that contains an active substance - whether 'natural' or not - will have side effects.
    Agreed. Just that when the side effects make someone feel worse than when they were sick and they're told that they're supposed to feel this way (we're making you better!), they start thinking being sick wasn't all that bad.

    Of course homeopathics pills don't have side effects because there's nothing actually in them except sugar.
    And magic water. Don't forget that.
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    I know so many women in my local mom groups that fed their kids this shit like Pez when they were teething.

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    Futuristic Use of Homoeopathy





    "Just as a speculative idea I have often posed that if we used the radioactive water of nuclear reactors to make a remedy in for instance the 6X, we would have something that could easily neutralise the radioactivity coming off the rods and neutering the cooling water. In this way, we could have safe nuclear energy and have no problems or much less so, with spent fuel rods, which now are buried in mountains or hidden in deserts."


    Ahaaha.

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    Spotted at WOMAD in the summer:



    Reminded me of:

    Maybe for once, someone will call me "Sir" without adding, "You're making a scene."

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    Today my aunt fell down the stairs in her house and dislocated her shoulder. If ONLY there'd have been a homeopath on hand instead of a paramedic, an x-ray machine, a doctor and anaesthesia!

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