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    I know the Democrats have a built-in advantage in presidential elections (like how the GOP have a built-in advantage in midterms when only angry old white people seem to vote). That is some comfort going in. In fact, when you think about it, the GOP have only won the popular vote once in the last 20+ years, that being in 2004 when Bush was just barely re-elected.

    I just hope the Clintons have kept themselves more or less out of trouble, 'cause any shenanigans of any kind is likely to surface during the campaign. (I'm not too concerned about the made-up or overdone type "scandals" like Benghazi or Hillary using a private email though).

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    Rubio confirms April 13 announcement in Miami

    Washington (CNN)Sen. Marco Rubio said Monday he'll make a major announcement on April 13, setting the date for what's expected to be the launch of his presidential bid.

    "I will announce on April 13th what I'm going to do next in terms of running for president or the U.S. Senate," Rubio said on Fox News' "The Five."

    He declined to offer any clarity on which way he's leaning, but said he plans to discuss a vision for the future of the country on that day, a far more expansive pitch than incumbent senators typically make when launching re-election campaigns.

    "This nation's in need of leadership that understand this new era and has new ideas for a new age," he said. "And so, again, I'm looking forward to talking about that and many other things on April 13th."

    According to the Tampa Bay Times, which first reported news of Rubio's announcement, the Florida senator has reserved the Freedom Tower on the campus of Miami Dade College — which once housed the Miami News — for an undisclosed event that day.

    Rubio has not publicly confirmed plans to run for president, but he's been making preparations for a campaign, traveling to early primary states and reaching out to donors and supporters to gauge support for a bid.

    While he's drawn interest from Republican kingmakers, he routinely polls in the middle of the likely field, recently drawing 7% support in a CNN/ORC poll.

    His announcement is one of a handful of expected presidential launches in a busy April as the contest gears up.

    Texas Sen. Ted Cruz kicked off the competition and became the first prospective contender to make his bid official this week. Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is slated to announce on April 7, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is planning an April launch as well.
    This prick is totally delusional.

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    If he were honest that day, he'd stand up and say "My name is Marco Rubio, and I'm running for Vice President!" But he's not fucking honest.

    Early prediction: your Republican ticket for 2016 is....Jeb Bush/Susanna Martinez (Governor of New Mexico). A female to try to neutralize HRC, and a big push for the Hispanic vote. (Remember, Jeb speaks Spanish fluently and has a Mexican wife.) And then, of course, the deeply xenophobic base will completely fuck that up.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

    Barack Hussein Obama

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    ^That's a good prediction. I can not see Jeb picking Rubio or Cruz as his VP.

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    Looks like Hillary's campaign HQ will be in Brooklyn!

    Hillary Clinton Campaign Signs Lease For Brooklyn Headquarters: Report

    WASHINGTON, April 3 (Reuters) - The campaign of the likely U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has signed a lease to house its headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, Politico reported on Friday citing a source familiar with the deal.

    Clinton, a former U.S. Secretary of State and First Lady, is expected to launch her White House bid for the 2016 election later this month. Her campaign will occupy two floors of an office building at 1 Pierrepont Plaza in the Brooklyn Heights neighborhood, according to Politico.

    The signing of the lease starts the clock on the campaign notifying the Federal Election Commission of the election season plans to ensure compliance with the rules that restrict campaign activities for undeclared candidates, Politico reported.

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    ^ Yep - and if a lease was signed, she's got 15 days from the signing to officially announce a presidential campaign. Looks like things will be really kicking into gear this April!

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    I think Rand Paul is supposed to announce tomorrow.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

    Barack Hussein Obama

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    FYI, guys, Jeb Bush is Hispanic now!

    Jeb Bush falsely claimed ‘Hispanic’ heritage

    Republican presidential hopeful Jeb Bush is many things. Hispanic isn’t one of them.
    Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush speaks fluent Spanish and married a woman who was born in Mexico. That still doesn’t make him Hispanic – despite self-identifying as such on his 2009 Florida voter registration form, which was obtained by The New York Times and published on Monday.

    A spokesperson for Bush couldn’t explain to The Times why he chose to characterize himself that way.
    A photocopy of the 2009 voter-registration form is online here. There’s no ambiguity in this story – in the field labeled “race/ethnicity,” the Florida Republican had a variety of choices. He identified himself as “Hispanic” and signed the document, affirming that all of the information on the form is true.

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    So Rand Paul announced today and immediately got caught using stock image photos of people who supposedly endorsed him!

    Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul launched his presidential campaign Tuesday complete with a page to endorse the new presidential candidate.
    The endorsements are then presented on a map of the United States.
    The people on the endorsement map, however, appear to be stock images from a Italian photographer Andrea Piacquadio who goes by the name Olly or Ollyy on stock image sites,and according to his Shutterstock page, is based in Germany.



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    Right now, the way I see it, the GOP's biggest problem is how fractured its voter base is. Social conservatives/evangelicals are primarily against abortion/reproductive and gay rights. Businesses have become gay-friendly and some don't seem to have issues with women's rights, but they do want low taxes and less regulation. Moderates are more fiscally conservative, but wouldn't really stand behind a nut job like Cruz or Rubio; similarly, younger people, or the Meghan McCain Republicans as I like to call them, have a set of values which really doesn't align to those of Tea Party darlings. Therefore, there isn't a single potential candidate who can appeal to the entire traditionally Republican electorate, let alone swing voters.

    This is why I think it's extremely important for Democrats to stop whining about Hillary and get behind her 100%, no matter what. Primarily as a reaction to GOP extremism, the Democrat user base has become more liberal, but also more ideologically homogenous. At this point, pretty much all Democrats support gay rights, women's rights, Obamacare, minimum wage increases, higher taxes on corporations and the very rich, climate change science, curbing the influence of religion in public life. This consensus must be what drives the election of the new president. Sure, Elizabeth Warren is awesome on all accounts, but she's smart enough to realize she doesn't (yet) have the resources to mount a campaign that could successfully challenge the Clinton juggernaut; besides, businesses hate her so much that her victory in the primaries would pretty much guarantee that they'd do anything, including throwing their entire weight behind a more unsavory Republican opponent like Cruz, Rubio or Paul to thwart her bid. On the other hand, Hillary is on board with the entire Democrat agenda, yet at the same time the business community doesn't exactly consider her the enemy. She is much maligned for this by the left, but it doesn't hurt when it comes to electability.

    From where I stand, Hillary doesn't just need to win, she needs to win big. If she does, the Republicans simply won't be able to play the obstructionist card forever. They will be forced to understand that their current extremist ideology and policies are simply out of touch with the majority of the electorate and they will have to shift towards the center. If subscribing to the values and ideas I mentioned earlier is what consistently gets people into the White House, they will have to adjust their platform or risk eventual total irrelevance.

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    You would think they would see they are off base and need to shift after the last two elections, but the have just buckled down and become more and more extreme. It's like they are trying to out crazy each other these days. Dems have become moderate republicans and republicans have become crazy extremists!

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    It's kind of appalling that a Romanian guy knows more about our politics than the vast majority of Americans. But yeah, I agree with almost all of that. The one quibble I would raise is that there is a line of thinking that having primary opponents would make Hillary a stronger candidate in the general election. I tend to agree, and besides, if the D primaries are uncontested, the R primaries will get all of the media attention. I think Bernie Sanders is gonna run, and he'd be ideal. He wouldn't dirty Hillary up on a personal level, and his ideas could drag her left a bit. But yeah, the Ds need to fall in behind her quickly after not too long -- in the swing states, at least. Since I live in California, it doesn't matter who I vote for, because the Republican WILL be stomped here. I love my state.

    And yeah, you hit on an important fact about Warren: Wall Street would simply not allow her to become President. Anybody who doesn't think they have veto power isn't paying attention. They were OK with Obama, and they'll be even more OK with Hillary. Which kinda sucks, but it is what it is.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

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    See, I think Hillary's opponents in the primaries would have to come up with stuff against her, which would only give Republicans ammunition without them having to do the work. I don't think she would come out stronger after being tarred and feathered by her own peers; when the other party does it, they can be accused of partisanship, but when her peers and former allies do it, it tends to hold more water.

    I think the liberal, leftist electorate tends or wants to eschew pragmatic candidates in favor of pipe dreams. Democrats need someone who shares their ideals, yet can get dirty if there is need, who can make compromises, broker deals and alliances, reach out to opponents; someone who knows the system inside and out and knows how to manipulate it in their favor. I mean, Obama was seen as the anti-establishment candidate and basically that's why he beat Hillary in the primaries. Still, as president, once Democrats lost (full) control of Congress, he didn't really achieve that much. He was constantly and relentlessly sabotaged; some people say it's just because of racism, but I think it's more complicated than that - once you claim to be anti-establishment, that very establishment will be against you.

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    Yeah, I like people who have both strong ideals AND a willingness to compromise. And I agree that the Obama hate is a lot more than racism. Partially, it's xenophobia; I don't think a black man named Joe Smith would have gotten as much shit as Obama has. But a lot of it is just the fact that he's the Democratic president at the time the Rs are going bugfuck insane.

    As for the opponents thing, I honestly think someone like Bernie Sanders would keep it on the issues. He's not gonna be talking about Monica Lewinsky or fucking Benghazi. But I guess we'll see.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

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    While I love Bernie Sanders (and I met him once!), he's not technically a democrat. Just the imagery of "socialist from Vermont" has the metaphorical balls of conservatives shriveling up and trying to re-enter the body. As president, that is. As a candidate I'm sure they're salivating at pointing out how terrible New England leftism is.

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