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Thread: How Low Can We Go? The President Donald Trump Thread, I guess. :(

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    Plus (not sure if detailed in Nancy's article), there is an argument to be made that Trump waived privilege by his incessant tweeting. That by his "tapes" comments and repeating to anyone who'd listen that Comey allegedly told him he wasn't being investigated, he was not keeping it classified and confidential. He can't talk about it publicly and then go "oh that's privileged between me and my staff" about that SAME STUFF.

    Which, frankly, is the argument I hope that wins if they do try to stop it. The idea of him being hoisted by his own petard, being taken down by his own hubris and ignorance? It sounds so good I can taste it.

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    The Trump Team has sent out an email with a link to InfoWars. We're now at that point.


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    Everything they say is a lie. I love the different ways people point it out.


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    Trump's lying about his kid was fucking hideous. Ryan, I liked how you brought up Obama in the context of that. Obama is SUCH a great dad, and Trump is such a piss poor one. That was really my main takeaway from from the whole Griffin kerfuffle. She did a stupid thing, but he's a pitiful excuse for a human being.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

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    But why? Why is what she did stupid? It's how we all feel, isn't it?

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    But why? Why is what she did stupid? It's how we all feel, isn't it?
    I'm curious about this too. Is it stupid because she should've predicted it would effectively end her career? Even though it has only escalated to that point because even liberals are clutching their pearls over it? I mean, seriously, was anyone on this side of the political spectrum even remotely horrified by the image? Because I'm pretty sensitive to that kind of thing and I literally felt NOTHING when I saw it.

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    Good question. I'm still in the ER, so I'll let others answer first.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

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    Given our country's history of presidential assassinations, I considered a bridge too far. I think it was a stupid joke and even though I really loathe Trump, it doesn't help. Trump is his own worst enemy and doesn't need any help to make himself look awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPeaches View Post
    I literally felt NOTHING when I saw it.
    That's because you're a woman and you can't get boners

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regina Phalange View Post
    Plus (not sure if detailed in Nancy's article), there is an argument to be made that Trump waived privilege by his incessant tweeting. That by his "tapes" comments and repeating to anyone who'd listen that Comey allegedly told him he wasn't being investigated, he was not keeping it classified and confidential. He can't talk about it publicly and then go "oh that's privileged between me and my staff" about that SAME STUFF.

    Which, frankly, is the argument I hope that wins if they do try to stop it. The idea of him being hoisted by his own petard, being taken down by his own hubris and ignorance? It sounds so good I can taste it.
    That's a great point. This is why his travel ban keeps getting struck down by judges. He says it's not a Muslim ban but he and his cronies have admitted publically that it amounts to a Muslim ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve SFM View Post
    Good question. I'm still in the ER, so I'll let others answer first.
    I hope you get out of there soon, Steve. Feel better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMMY View Post
    Given our country's history of presidential assassinations
    Which is 4 out of 44 and at least 3 serious attempts off the top of my head, for those who don't know. An extraordinarily high number, and that's just the ones I can remember and were made public. It shouldn't be a forbidden subject to joke about, but it's almost never successfully funny. Johnny Carson did a Lincoln assassination joke and was booed in the 70s or 80s, iirc. Comics should try to toe the line, but that means sometimes you're going to go over.

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    James Comey Senate testimony: America braces for a historic political moment

    What the former FBI director tells a committee on Thursday could decide whether Trump survives his first term. The stakes have never been higher

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_fb

    When James Comey, the former FBI director, stands before a Senate committee on Thursday to give evidence about the president who fired him, it will be one of the most dramatic moments in US political history.

    The stakes will be as high as they have ever been at a congressional hearing. The questions Comey will be asked by the Senate intelligence committee include whether Donald Trump tried to persuade him to stop an investigation into improper contacts between a top adviser and Russian officials, whether Trump sought to extract a vow of personal loyalty, and whether Comey was fired because he did not comply.

    Trump has denied trying to make Comey drop the case, but if Comey contradicts him and is supported by other evidence, it would represent potential obstruction of justice by the president and mark a long leap down the road towards impeachment.

    Even in the Teapot Dome scandal that shook Warren Harding’s administration in the early 1920s, and in the Watergate affair half a century later, it was not alleged that the president himself tried to intimidate an investigator.

    And the context – the possibility of collusion with the Kremlin to skew a presidential election – is far more grave that the issues of bribery and political dirty tricks underpinning those two other historical stains on modern American democracy.

    For all those reasons, what Comey says on Thursday could help decide whether Trump survives in office through his first term. That is a milestone that is already in doubt since the appointment on 17 May of a special counsel to take over the broad investigation of Trump campaign links with the Kremlin.

    There is speculation that the president might try to seek to invoke executive privilege to stop Comey testifying this week. Citing two senior administration officials, the New York Times reported that Trump will not seek to block Comey’s appearance. Trump spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway, however, would not rule out the option, saying it was up to the president to make that decision. Executive privilege would be a desperate gambit. No president has ever tried to use it to stop a former official, who was willing to speak, from giving testimony. Richard Painter, who was chief ethics lawyer in the George W Bush White House, pointed out that having fired the FBI director, Trump has little leverage to stop him speaking.

    “I don’t think that Jim Comey is going to give a rat’s behind about what Kellyanne Conway has to say,” Painter said.

    In theory, Trump could get the justice department to go to court to get an injunction against Comey testifying, but government lawyers would face an uphill battle. The courts ruled in the course of the Watergate scandal that executive privilege cannot be used to hide inappropriate or unlawful conduct by the executive. And Trump himself has already put the substance of his conversations with Comey in the public domain by giving his version of them, claiming to NBC that the FBI director told him three times he was not under investigation.

    “It would be a huge political risk for the White House, given the low chance of success in court and the political costs of failing,” said Matthew Miller, a former justice department spokesman.

    The White House has sought to block the congressional investigation of Trump-Russia links in other ways, taking the unprecedented step of instructing government agencies not to comply with requests for information from Democrats. But Trump cannot rely entirely on the loyalty of congressional Republicans. Most importantly, Richard Burr, chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, is showing growing independence from the White House. The most substantive evidence of that shift to date is the committee’s invitation to Comey to give testimony in open session.

    There is also very little Trump can do to impede the work of the special counsel, Robert Mueller, who was Comey’s predecessor as FBI director and whose appointment to take over the Russian investigation was a direct and unintended consequence of Comey’s sacking.

    Mueller has wide-ranging powers and will be hard to fire. On Friday, he was reported to have expanded the scope of his inquiry to include the lobbying work done by former national security advisor, Michael Flynn, while he was weighing in on US policy in Syria. It was also reported, by the Associated Press, that Mueller has taken over a criminal investigation involving Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, and could also investigate the roles played by attorney general Jeff Sessions and deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein in the firing of Comey.

    Mueller’s investigation will seek to discover if there was collusion between the Trump campaign and a multi-pronged Russian operation to influence the outcome of the 2016 election by hacking and leaking Democratic party emails, the use of propaganda outlets like RT and Sputnik, and spreading fake news on social media.

    The circumstantial evidence for such collusion is growing, as more meetings between Trump, his aides and Russian officials come to light, along with evidence that the president’s camp sought to cover up such contacts. It has also emerged, in a report by Yahoo News on Thursday, that in its first few days in office the Trump administration made a priority of trying to lift sanctions on Russia and was only stopped by state department officials raising the alarm in Congress, which moved to take control over the sanctions away from the presidency.
    I've quoted a substantial part of this article, but there's more to read about what a "fascinating figure" James Comey is.

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    It's going to be a long week, guys


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    I mean, stop. It's not even lunchtime. What's it going to be like this time Thursday?

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    .@foxandfriends Dems are taking forever to approve my people, including Ambassadors. They are nothing but OBSTRUCTIONISTS! Want approvals.


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    Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement. MSM is working hard to sell it!


    Again, I apologize for this fucking dumbass to the rest of the world.

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