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    A good friend of mine is a journalist for the county division of our city paper (I live in a small town, but the suburban area is large - about 500,000). Earlier this year, he and his entire staff quit without notice after they were harshly scolded by management for publishing a short op-ed that questioned both Trump's and Hillary's proposed immigration plans. They were told, in no uncertain terms, to never publish anything anti-Trump again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPeaches View Post
    A good friend of mine is a journalist for the county division of our city paper (I live in a small town, but the suburban area is large - about 500,000). Earlier this year, he and his entire staff quit without notice after they were harshly scolded by management for publishing a short op-ed that questioned both Trump's and Hillary's proposed immigration plans. They were told, in no uncertain terms, to never publish anything anti-Trump again.
    I have now begun to look with suspicion at every aspect of my life I may have been unwittingly enabling, consuming, or ignoring that contributed to the culmination of this moral horror. I am not a religious person but the words repentance and shame have resounded with me in a way I don't think I've ever felt before in my life. And one of those things is the total collapse of the local press.

    Due to their heavy losses in profit, community newspapers are now increasingly owned by unscrupulous, dysfunctional entities who let advertisers basically dictate the contents of the paper. It is a calamity that I knew was going on, but it did not hit me until now that the financial collapse of our media would also lead to a deterioration in democracy and liberalism. I am broke right now, but I'm going to make a serious effort to think of how best to show my support to some of the many institutions I took for granted (ACLU among them) and try to repent for what I have contributed to through my apathy.

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    Trump has released a plan for black America.

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    Blue states aren't immune

    Comedians turned to the election in Boston -- and things got ugly

    Comments about politics set off a bitter scene at the Comics Come Home benefit show at TD Garden Saturday, where sets about President-elect Donald Trump led comedians Wanda Sykes and Nick DiPaolo to trade insults with audience members.

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    In two clips that were posted online, Sykes is audibly booed by concertgoers.

    “This is not the first time we’ve elected a racist, sexist, homophobic president,” Sykes says in the first clip.
    She was booed, but there was CLEARLY cheering too, and the cheering sounded largely female to me. And it wasn't Wanda's best set, but not boo-worthy.

    After Sykes came off stage, host Denis Leary tried to calm down the crowd before Danvers-born DiPaolo took to the stage and said he was happy that Trump was elected. He then went on a tirade about Democrat Hillary Clinton’s health and called her a felon.

    Later, a woman walked to the stage and confronted DiPaolo. As the woman was escorted away from the stage, DiPaolo made a comment to the crowd about her being Jewish.
    What a stunning turn of events. Ah history class, too bad you had no lessons about a megalomaniac character who brings out anti-semites.

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    I am terrified of Twitter right now. Rape Melania is trending, and the mere fact that it's trending is automatic "evidence" for millions of Twitter users out there that Clinton voters are actually saying Rape Melania, when all anyone is saying on social media is that it's bad and nobody is actually saying this.

    We are living in 1984.

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    I think this is a much bigger story than is being covered.

    Blue Feed, Red Feed
    See Liberal Facebook and Conservative Facebook, Side by Side

    They explain how their methodology and show you what someone like us might see on FB vs someone conservative. People scarily do get their info from FB. I do sometimes, but I click on the links that seem worthy and investigate it myself. How many people do that? And maybe if the main stream media hadn't been so happy to report ceaselessly on emails, maybe some of this info could have been debunked for them because they certainly weren't listening to their friend and family.

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    When I walked into my pantry, I realized in a comical way that false equivalency is everywhere. We have to continue to fight against it and train others!


    False equivalency training. 8 = 12! In what world? Ok there MAY BE exactly the same amount of sheets packaged differently. If I want to give 12 classes a roll of paper towels, the 8 pack isn't going help the situation. I will have to buy two packages. Also what if there isn't enough space between the wall and my paper towel dispenser, then what? Then of course, we don't know if they are telling the truth or not. The could reduce the larger rolls by just a few sheets and we'd never know. Eight doesn't equal 12! Eight equals eight and 12 equals 12. What kind of Orwellian world do we live in?


    Also I'd totally vote in Chris Rock. RIGHT NOW! Comedians are some of the smartest people out there. Colbert and Jon Stewart, HELL YEAH!

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    Reince Priebus is chief-of-staff. Steven Bannon, a white nationalist, is "chief strategist to the President."

    (Some media outlets are saying he just has *ties* to white nationalism)
    Last edited by Andyland; 11-14-2016 at 01:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyland View Post
    Reince Priebus is chief-of-staff. Steven Bannon, a white nationalist, is "chief strategist to the President."
    This is just so terrifying. I mean there are really no words.

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    I noticed that in the official news release, Bannon's name was listed first and they were referred to as "equal partners." I saw someone on Twitter point out that even Bush at least maintained the fiction that Karl Rove was lower ranking than Andrew Card.

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    Is this a position that has to be confirmed? Would that senate refuse to confirm a white nationalist?

    A somber reflection by Newsweek, harsh on the media

    Clinton only needed support from a few thousand of those non-voters in swing states to turn her popular vote victory into an electoral college victory. Yet they stayed home (or voted for third-party candidates), some in disgust and others due to a sense of entitled (and imaginary) purity, convinced by the relentless anti-Clinton narrative.

    To return to my image of the bully and his victim in high school, it was bad enough that Clinton had to deal with Trump's provocations. He was the one tying her shoelaces together and pushing her, but the supposedly liberal press was throwing things at her and telling her to catch them or dodge them as she tried not to fall down the stairs.

    She still managed to come out of it all with her dignity intact, never falling even as the last banana peels were thrown in her path.

    Yet now some people want to blame her for being flawed. She lost a winnable election, they say, but she did so because she could not overcome voter suppression or a relentlessly harsh media narrative. She—and the country—deserved better. Now, we will all pay the price.
    I like this piece too

    I do take some small, cold, bitter satisfaction in one thing, and that’s the fact that Trump is going to be absolutely fucking miserable for the next four years.

    He’s an entertainer and an attention whore, not a public servant. He wants to be on TV and in front of crowds, not actually working a difficult, grueling, stressful job he can’t opt out of. He’s going to have to sit through SO many meetings, be forced to read SO many briefings, get shoehorned into serious business all day every day, without crowds to perform for, and he’s going to hate Every. Single. Minute.

    And then, when he doesn’t deliver on his promises, when he doesn’t build the wall or create jobs or make people rich, when it becomes clear how incompetent and buffoonish he is, the country and all his supporters will turn on him. They’re gonna start blaming him for everything, and those crowds that cheered for him are going to start booing. He’ll be humiliated at every turn, and leave office with the lowest approval rating ever, and he’ll be universally despised.

    Because if he’d lost to Hillary, he would have played the martyr forever, called everything rigged, and had a cushy gig on Fox News complaining every day about how he would have done it better. But now he’s going to have to actually WORK, he’s going to be forced to deal with RESPONSIBILITIES, while surrounded by people who hate him and don’t respect him, people vastly more intelligent and competent than him, and he will be exposed as a loser. And then, we’ll fire him. He’ll go down as the worst president in history. And he’ll have no one to blame but himself.

    I know this isn’t much against the fear of what’s going to happen, but friends, hear me. We are going to make Donald Trump’s life a living nightmare, and I for one take immense pleasure from that.
    It's not comforting, but I do take some pleasure too in him fucking hating every second from now till he leaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyland View Post
    Reince Priebus is chief-of-staff. Steven Bannon, a white nationalist, is "chief strategist to the President."
    Yep. The CEO of Trump's campaign. He also contacted the Le Pens to help to Front National win France.

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    Now that we've had a few days to recoup, I'm pretty much over the left wing infighting and autopsying of the election. I don't know how we got into the position where we're putting out think piece after think piece cannibalizing the left, blaming everyone from third party voters to Hillary's campaign staff to Sanders to pollsters to white people wearing safety pins as if Trump were a mindless natural disaster and not the result of a narcissist and the sick twisted people who campaigned for him and supported him in the media and are committing hate crimes in his name.

    I don't think calls for unity are inherently a bad thing. That doesn't mean a call to "give Trump a chance" or "just see how it plays out". I mean calls for "let's focus on pooling our resources to mitigate as much damage as we can and keep this nightmare to two years". Let's go after the real problem. Instead of endless post-mortems on third party voters who believed the margin was wide enough they could vote optimistically or who knew their vote never counted, the HRC campaign staff who worked themselves to the bone trying to stop this, and the people in the aftermath who are clumsily trying to show support to the most threatened.

    Idk I'm just really tired of thought exercises on safety pins and whether Sanders would have won and this giant hole in the dialogue where Trump & co.'s moral culpability should go.

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    I would like to suggest that the forums on NationStates.net are a good starting place for this community to start to figure out why there are divisions between the left and right to this degree, why the millennials are seeking an alt-right and an alt-left, and how we can engage politically with the disenfranchised (which ironically now encompasses those who are progressive) so as to refuse demagoguery its nascent place at the head of society and to build an alternative. Clinton was not of the left and Trump is of the right only in its social application. These people are friends.

    It is a political simulator where those from the left and right are really beginning to move past division and are beginning to pinpoint false revolutions in the establishment interest for what they really are. This is the pivotal point for Trump supporters to begin when it comes to their own candidate being at odds with their reasons for voting. But to talk with these people we have to be thoroughly anti-Trump and not pro-Clinton. That means that it doesn't matter if Clinton is a woman from now on, although it clearly was instrumental to a Trump victory. The historical wisdom of this community when it comes to marginalisation is instrumental, but it now must be exercised towards the other - white men. Somebody said in the last thread that empathy is now rebellion. One thing that the left has as its strength is not intellect- it is the capacity for empathy and the ability to make the personal political. It is the desire for rebellion that the right now inhabits. It is our duty to now inhabit this space with them.

    The American and British left have been under an illusion of comfort and have become politically dead and irrelevant, hence a need for an alt-anything. But the left understands alternative more than the right. We really need to get to grips with conspiracy theory and its importance as an academic and sociological area of study. We all want an alternative, Clinton was never of the left truly, and Trump is of the right only in the sense that he wants to dominate every single person and white supremacy given the current climate is his toe in the waters. If white supremacists and poor minority people feel disenfranchised, then the key has to be economic. Trump is a billionaire. We know what it is to have the oppressor in charge - Trump voters do not, and they must. All of Iceland's women walked out of their jobs recently. All of Iceland revolted against bankers and enabling politicians. The two movements did not hold one another at gunpoint. The first movement (economic and against bankers) encouraged the second (social and against oppression).

    Do not believe that Trump supporters will not empathise with LGBT or feminist issues. They have had 8 years to incubate those realities. Race is more difficult due to its economic implications, but economic inequality truly is the heart of this shambles, and the heart is beating openly and is vulnerable. Do not give your society and the world a heart attack by panicking or being angry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regina Phalange View Post
    Is this a position that has to be confirmed?
    Nope

    These types of appointees serve "at the pleasure of the President."

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