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Thread: Setlist and Reviews for Durham, NC 11/11/2017

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    Sounds like it happened earlier quickly, according to this guy’s Instagram post: https://instagram.com/p/BbXt784gZiA/

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    There was no M&G today in Durham. People were just lucky she stopped to speak to them when she arrived at the venue. If she has the time, she will always stop, sign stuff and take pictures, but that has absolutely nothing to do with an organised M&G. She's just being kind and generous with her time, giving away around six minutes from her tight schedule that day.

    I really hope this doesn't backfire for the rest of the tour with many people gathering by the stage door regardless of whether or not a M&G is happening. There seems to be a Tori Does M&Gs Out of Pity Even When There Wasn't Going to Be One rhetoric (not around here, though!) and I hope this doesn't delude people into believing untruths. By the end of it, no-one might get to see her, so she's either just going to wave at everyone while going by or they will cleverly escort her into the venue. On the European tour, they were very strict about this. Once there was a huge amount of people waiting at noon when it had been confirmed that there wasn't going to be a M&G, they smuggled her in without anybody noticing. They were trying to be fair since there was no way she would be able to speak to 45 people in six minutes. Therefore it was decided she wasn't going to meet anybody at all. However, when there were only about five or seven people waiting, she did take her time...

    What I mean to say: don't beat yourself up about this Durham situation. I really hope those of you who want to talk to her on this tour get to do that; there are several opportunities, but it's important to know what is appropriate and what isn't.
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    Thanks for clearing that up. I texted Kari after Ron reported something was happening because I wanted to make sure she and her friend got a fair shot, but that makes more sense. I was miffed thinking there was an unclear change of M&G status – that’s just confusing and difficult for everyone involved.
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    Yeah, I totally hear what you’re saying and agree about respecting Tori’s time. Unfortunately I’m not sure if a lot of people really know or care about the difference between an “official M&G” vs. her stopping to take pictures and say hi to people on her way in our out of the venue, which is when a lot of other artists do that sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeEP View Post
    Yeah, I totally hear what you’re saying and agree about respecting Tori’s time. Unfortunately I’m not sure if a lot of people really know or care about the difference between an “official M&G” vs. her stopping to take pictures and say hi to people on her way in our out of the venue, which is when a lot of other artists do that sort of thing.
    Sorry, @MikeEP, by the way... I didn't see your post above and didn't mean to rehash the things that were essentially said in the Instagram link. About those informal run-ins: it's kind of a tricky situation because there is nothing wrong with it on one hand and then there's an awful lot off about it on the other. It usually depends on the crowd. My impression is that, although she is as present and attentive as usual, she feels challenged to connect with someone she hasn't met before under this type of time pressure. She says she grounds and focuses herself before a M&G, so that is a different scenario altogether whereas hopping out of the car to greet a bunch of fans under often messy circumstances makes for a real challenge. Surely she has been around for decades and is well-trained in that regard, but she's still sensitive to and receptive of what is happening immediately around her. There are people waiting she knows obviously well enough to not go out of her way for, but then there are always first timers whom she intends to greet just as considerately. It's just very tricky. And everyone has to decide for themselves whether that's something they would like to participate in or not, for their own and Tori's sake.

    I forgot to add something: only because a M&G has been confirmed to happen, that still doesn't (unfortunately) mean that plans may not fall through eventually. Her promotional commitments on this tour have been insane. Quite a few M&Gs in Europe were confirmed to be happening, but there were postponements instead.

    For instance: Frankfurt was a go, everybody adjusted their travelling accordingly. However, in the evening before the Frankfurt show, it was announced a M&G was no longer happening and that the next one would be in Hamburg. Again, everybody adjusted their travelling schedules, only to find out (in my case on the train to Hamburg the day before) that there wasn't going to be a M&G in Hamburg either but the following day in Essen (which happened). The next show in Berlin had a tentative M&G announced but shortly before, word got around that there wasn't going to be a M&G in Berlin and Munich either. Reasons for all this vary, but it is mainly because she had so much press to do, it is unbelievable.

    Statistically speaking, it's a bit odd to have one M&G spread across a total of five shows in one country. But that's all they could do. And they really really really tried. I know that the entirety of Germany is even smaller than the average state in America, so that comparison isn't fair in the end. But what I mean to say: it's so sad when people are travelling believing they are going to meet her, especially if it's their only show, but the M&Gs are more than ever subject to her media commitments which were intensified due to the short time to launch the album properly (with an extensive promo cycle preceding the release).

    It seems, though, her team has decided to be more definitive about the M&Gs and only announces them when they are 100% happening. With every M&G that is announced to not be happening (I don't like the word "cancel" in this context), they are ruling out the dangerous potentials of maybe in an attempt to keep people from arriving unnecessarily early or causing travelling inconvenience.
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    Everybody go see Scars on 45!! They're incredible!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kala View Post
    I saw that earlier and makes me think Etienne might be appearing again tonight.

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    Ack so I feel like I should say something about the “meet and greet.” It definitely wasn’t a meet and greet, it was just Tori stopping by. There were maybe 25 of us just chilling and hanging out, hoping but not expecting her to stop by. I got my photo taken with her; even though some of us had stuff they wanted signed, most people were cool and just either handed Tori a letter or book, or they just got a photo with her. All together, she spent maybe 10 minutes with us, but she met everyone who was there.

    It was really cool of her, but if a bunch of people show up at Nashville even though the meet and greet is cancelled, I’m not sure if she would do the same. 25 people is still a lot...

    Also to anyone at the show, I’m wearing a coat with a bunch of orchids on it!

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    OMG! Hi! POST AGAIN. Also you can tag people now, @Cuddlefish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuddlefish View Post
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    are you still in the process of figuring out how to end me after Mancy & I stole your identity
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    Not now dude, I’m busy trying to figure out who the fuck everyone is and who owes me money

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