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    What happened to the official live recordings?

    I'm sure this has already been covered here somewhere--apologies for duplicating.

    Aside from "From Russia With Love" in 2010, I can't think of any official live recordings we've gotten since Legs and Boots in 2007. No MG AATS or NOH or orchestra shows or Unrepentant Geraldines, and no word of a official boots for NI shows. As we know, she does tend to dangle the carrot of a live dvd (in 1998 and again in 2007) but either abandon the project or go for visualettes instead.

    It seems like she used to release more, even if only a few soundboard tracks to fill out singles. I'm sure she still records all the shows. As great as a lot of the bootlegs sound, I wish there were official good quality recordings available, and I wonder if she'll release more in the future. Has she talked about this at all? I know she's talked about how exhausting Legs and Boots were for Mark, but it seems like doing someone on a smaller scale after a tour is over should be easier, plus her other engineers could help more if the recordings were mixed at Martian.

    There have, of course, been some radio broadcasts and professional video via Le Poisson Rouge and Live From the Artists Den, but those didn't really come straight from Tori camp. Do you think there's a conscious reason she isn't putting out as much official live stuff?

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    I don't think there's a conscious reason. I imagine she's felt very busy working on The Light Princess and the other records and reissues they've released since 2007. I would like more official releases though I am grateful we've had so many tapers sharing even (pretty good, honestly) phone recordings in the past few years.

    ETA: Though I don't think it's the case for Tori, I do know a handful of artists that don't release live material much anymore because they don't see the market there anymore with YouTube and other ways of sharing live video. I think it's a shame to lump live recording sales with YouTube uploads, but I don't have any firsthand experience with how sharable live videos affect that market.
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    Fascinating subject

    I’ve always wondered this-and I’m not sure if it’s ever been 100% confirmed but I’m not sure that everything has been recorded post 1998, but I’d love to be wrong

    A fan I once spoke to referred to them as her retirement fund, which I liked

    But with streaming now right, surely you could just upload it onto iTunes and then let the (little) revenue roll in? Saves it sat in a drawer doing fuck all......

    There was a discussion before the NI tour started and apparently Tori is aware the fans would love to see some live stuff being released, but who knows eh......

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    It's probably a lot of work with very little chance of making a profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    It's probably a lot of work with very little chance of making a profit.
    Kind of like Gold Dust? Honestly, all the shows are recorded. She would just need someone (husband?) to come in and properly mix/master them. She wouldn't even need to be involved other than perhaps doing a quality check. And if they opted for digital releases, there wouldn't be any kind of manufacturing cost. I'm not sure she'd be rolling in the dough necessarily, but if a band like Pearl Jam can manage to get the majority of their concerts up for download, it must be feasible for other artists.

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    This is what I don’t understand, there must be some sets ready after the live b sides all through LE/UTP/BFP/FTCH and TVAB eras, they could just upload them onto a streaming service,

    As a fan since ‘02 I’d love to hear some of the earlier sets

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    I don't know. But what about all the video footage they were taking during the .. was AATS or ADP tour?
    Also, off topic but maybe people who know that will know this.. where is the KATE BUSH live concert DVD?
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    She seems to have a very bad karma with official recordings and soundboard broadcasts. The majority of them either suck big time or are not among the best performances of the tour. If we take out the b-sides from pink, earthquakes and pele, everything else is not really stellar. Venus is very very good, but that Precious Things is certainly not the strongest performance of the tour, for example. The legs&boots are taken from the second leg of the tour, that was pretty bad compared to the european shows. The Original Bootlegs don't include Frankfurt, which is the best of the soundboard shows we have, but they include the Denver show, which she cut short due to vocal issues. Apart from Chicago, they've chosen very mediocre shows. I love WTSF, but that was certainly not the best show of Scarlet's Tour, the Soundstage live was way better, and of course it was never officially released. Artists Den is a nightmare and so are Baloise sessions. From Russia with Love is one of the worst shows of an otherwise very good tour, along with the Metropole Orchestra concert and Bonnaroo (which of course were all broadcasted!).
    Two big exceptions are 2012's Infinity Hall and Poisson Rouge, but the quality of the recording is not really stellar, they sound compressed and flat. Ouch.

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    Tori's team has definitely dropped the ball with releasing what Tori does best - Live shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey View Post
    She seems to have a very bad karma with official recordings and soundboard broadcasts. The majority of them either suck big time or are not among the best performances of the tour. If we take out the b-sides from pink, earthquakes and pele, everything else is not really stellar. Venus is very very good, but that Precious Things is certainly not the strongest performance of the tour, for example. The legs&boots are taken from the second leg of the tour, that was pretty bad compared to the european shows. The Original Bootlegs don't include Frankfurt, which is the best of the soundboard shows we have, but they include the Denver show, which she cut short due to vocal issues. Apart from Chicago, they've chosen very mediocre shows. I love WTSF, but that was certainly not the best show of Scarlet's Tour, the Soundstage live was way better, and of course it was never officially released. Artists Den is a nightmare and so are Baloise sessions. From Russia with Love is one of the worst shows of an otherwise very good tour, along with the Metropole Orchestra concert and Bonnaroo (which of course were all broadcasted!).
    Two big exceptions are 2012's Infinity Hall and Poisson Rouge, but the quality of the recording is not really stellar, they sound compressed and flat. Ouch.

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    I agree. Just watched the first three songs of the Baloise session. How is it possible that she, when a show is broadcasted on tv, doesn’t have any say in how the vocals are mixed? I hate that she sounds so ‘dry’ on the official stuff that’s out there. How does that work?

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    Would a lot of the full shows be limited due to the covers she plays at virtually every show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carey View Post
    the Denver show, which she cut short due to vocal issues.
    Interesting. I never knew that. Your mastery of her recorded live performances is amazing.

    I would also add that I've had the experience where a show I attended sounded so much better in person than what I hear in the youtube videos. For that reason and for all of the reasons you mentioned, I have tended to stay away from listening to the vast majority of her live recordings.

    I don't really love the live disc of Venus, even. I think she was really going for performances that had super similar sonic characteristics, so that you could imagine you were hearing a single performance or something... so it would feel like all of a piece... and I would say it does... and somehow it's just not a very dynamic album to me, even though the performances are good and the recording and production is too. There's just something flat about it to my ears, not to mention my myriad issues with the song selection. And NO HARPSICHORD?!?!!!!

    But I will say - I think her Storytellers performances are great. Unplugged also sounds truly great to me and she looks amazing! I believe there's an official release of that Vegas show with that incredible Hotel and I believe Riot Poof? I liked the Oxygen performance. So there are some gems on official record, but definitely not nearly enough.

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    Oh! And I think her Sessions was great as well! And that Father Lucifer performance from Letterman is a truly arresting, as is that Time, two of the ballsiest things she has ever done in my opinion, and with such incredible results!

    (Perhaps I am getting some of the performances I'm listing above confused, it's very possible, if not downright probable.)

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    Sessions in pristine quality is my #1 hope for the Choirgirl remaster (since I think she's emptied the vaults on unreleased songs).

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    I would die for official releases of Unplugged, Sessions, and Storytellers. I also wouldn't mind that Las Vegas show from the 5 ½ Weeks Tour that was broadcast. I quite enjoyed the Soundstage show from On Scarlet's Walk.

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