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    Rick Wilson put out a tweet today that said Bernie was going to be the death of the Democrats in 2020. I think he’s right. The last I checked that tweet had over 1000 replies when most of his popular tweets get 300 or 400 at best. It’s a combination of psycho cultists and bots, but that’s essentially the same thing you encounter with Trump. Something really stinks about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Bernie Bros are going hard after Mayor Pete already. I haven't fully informed myself yet, but the idea of an undeniably INTELLIGENT person in the White House is frankly good enough for me at this point.
    I hadn't noticed until today. The hit pieces coming from the Bernie Bro contingent are really fucking pathetic. I'm not even going to get into any of it on here. The Bernie cult is strong and scary. The real crazies that get all the attention on super left twitter make me so angry. Most of them just want to watch the whole system burn down or take home the gold in the oppression olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .chris View Post
    I hadn't noticed until today. The hit pieces coming from the Bernie Bro contingent are really fucking pathetic. I'm not even going to get into any of it on here. The Bernie cult is strong and scary. The real crazies that get all the attention on super left twitter make me so angry. Most of them just want to watch the whole system burn down or take home the gold in the oppression olympics.

    I love this line soo much!!!

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    I call candidates like this "Auditioning for VP."



    Pass.

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    I call candidates like this "Auditioning for VP."



    Pass.
    I don't feel he's in the least bit interesting or appealing, even for VP. So milquetoast and bland.

    It makes me wonder though...if Kamala or Pete end up getting the nomination, who do you think they would choose to run with? I could very much see Pete running with Stacey Abrams, or could even see him picking a Republican running mate, like Kasich, although I really think he would choose a female VP. It makes me wonder, as he's from the midwest, if he would go with someone from the South, someone else from the midwest, or go with someone from one of the coasts. Same question arises with Kamala.

    In some ways, and I'm not comparing Trump to someone honorable like GHWB, but Clinton came out of left field as this young, hip guy, in contrast to Bush 1, who seemed out of touch, and also didn't fulfill his promise to not raise taxes (like Trump's wall) - and ended up losing - and can see parallels between Bush 1 and Clinton and Trump and someone like Buttigieg for that reason. Clinton at the time represented a hand off to a new generation. In some ways, I also see parallels between Buttigieg and Carter - in that Carter represented this sweet, down to earth, homey, kind hearted Christian guy, in complete contrast to the crooked Nixon (I know Ford was in between, but he'd essentially be Pence if Trump left). Buttigieg certainly represents that in a lot of ways. I know history tends to not repeat itself, but it certainly rhymes, as they say -- and it's interesting to draw these parallels.

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    This quiz was really hard. Simpsonized declared/speculated 2020 candidates. I mean, I eked out 83%, but even as I did it I was like "Who is that? They declared?"

    I am guessing it's going to only get more crowded. Poor Lisa looks how I feel.

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    I'm not the biggest Sanders fan, but more Democrats need to go on Fox like this. I kinda love that the response surprised the hosts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .chris View Post
    I'm not the biggest Sanders fan, but more Democrats need to go on Fox like this. I kinda love that the response surprised the hosts.
    Counterpoint:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Regina Phalange View Post
    Counterpoint:

    Sanders going on and convincing even 5% of the audience to vote Democratic (i.e., for him) in the election does a lot more good than harm. He does very well with conservative audiences, because he speaks about medicare for all, free college or a living wage, most people don't care that he's labelled a Socialist or liberal.

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    Yeah I think I agree with that. Someone has to punch through the Fox News bubble. I don't think ignoring Fox News completely is going to help us out.

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    I watched the Fox News interview with Pete Buttigieg last night on YouTube and the comments were overwhelmingly positive. That’s from a Fox audience. If a sensible, laid-back, intelligent person can lay out a case for progressive policies to a Fox audience without punching down or being accusatory, you might siphon off some of the conservatives who actually hate Trump and are too proud to admit it. I’m totally okay with that.

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    I know for a fact when my mother is contacted about her children for interview purposes, she is a total fucking moron and makes shit up to make her kids look good *from her perspective*, regardless of the damage it does. The NYT did a story on how Bernie hates CAP because it's a Hillary neo lib org or something and they contacted Neera's mother who then talked shit about Bernie and it's a ridiculous mess of bad judgment. It reminds me of that terrible time when Connie Chung said Newt's mother said he called Hillary a bitch. Of course, I'm extra biased because I like CAP and Bernie is just alienating me further. His hands are clean in this but it's amazing how people who don't like him keep being attacked... Just a mystery.



    Anyway, maybe if the Dems (Oh, that's right Bernie's not a Dem!) destroy each other we'll have to put our eggs in the GOP primary basket


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    My problem with that NY Times story isn't that it exists or that they interviewed her mom (which I honestly don't think is off limits) - it is that it seems like the reporter was not very clear about what was being said was on the record. The whole thing comes off as an ambush and that is really fucked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .chris View Post
    The whole thing comes off as an ambush and that is really fucked up.
    The whole thing smells and I'd like to understand it better but everyone is too personally invested in the outcome that it feels like me, an outsider, can't quite tell who is full of shit. I mean, I bet "both sides" are to some extent, but it's all murky if it's 50/50 or 90/10. The only outcome I can take away clearly is that while the NYT provides top notch reporting and story-breaking, it also is full of people with questionable motives and integrity and doesn't seem to care about fixing that.

    And while I don't idolize Bernie, it's entirely possible he was treated unfairly and has a legit gripe. I'm not pushing an agenda on it. It *is*, however, hard to take anything he says seriously when he does stupid shit like this



    I don't care that he's a millionaire. There are lots of philanthropists and rich people who have lots of empathy and want everyone to be as well off as them. If you had asked me last week I would have assumed he was a millionaire. Good for him. It's not a character flaw. He earned it. I don't think it undermines his socialist beliefs. I do care, however, that he is pretending to be something he's not and attacking people for doing things that aren't that outrageous. Canapes? Really?

    Yes, there are problems with the Dem party. But he's got to stop with this "they won't let me into their club" pity party. He might not be Romney rich but he's rich for VT and for a lot of Dems. It's unbecoming to whine about others' wealth and privilege when you're in the 1% too. How paranoid and fear-inducing is this message? "Plotting behind closed doors." JFC. You won't play nice with the party and then bitch and moan for going on THREE YEARS NOW about how they're excluding you. Ugh.

    Yes, if there's some DINO cabal of rich elitists pulling strings that's bad. But maybe it's just that people who are ACTUAL REGISTERED DEMOCRATS would rather support someone who isn't going to sulk during the Convention when he loses.

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    Biden is announcing next week.

    And not to continue to bag on Bernie, but...



    Bernie might have his hands and staff's hands completely clean as far as Russia in the 2016 election but we as a party need to get to the bottom of WHY Russia likes him so much. Was he anointed by them as worthy because he was destructive to the system? Or is there something there? He votes against Russian sanctions a lot. Is he working with them to some degree? And how much of a degree? I can imagine a scenario where Bernie is just a useful tool and not complicit in any sketchy behavior so I'm not like "Manchurian candidate!" but I have concerns. And his flippant attitude towards anyone who questions him and the attack-mode his people go on on his behalf isn't going to help.

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