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    She has a plan for that. Steve SFM's Avatar
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    He's pro-choice. Therefore, he's a Democrat.

    Today, Kamala ended her campaign for President....and began her campaign for Vice-President. I agree that it's sad she's out, because -- with Booker and Castro on the ropes, Yang as a Wacky Candidate, and what the fuck is Patrick doing -- the field is starting to look pretty goddamned white.

    And that's Kamala's in. If a white guy wins, he probably needs her on the ticket. (Warren could go for Castro or Booker, or maybe two women would be best to take down Rapey Don.) I mean, if Democrats ever go with two white guys again, they're fucking stupid. Even a white man and a white woman doesn't quite work. So, Kamala! She proved to look pretty solid in the race; it seems she'd be OK if shit fucked up and she became POTUS. #KamalaIsACop is still a concern; let's just say her and Bloomberg wouldn't sound good. But maybe she'd grow as Veep.

    Oh, shit, I dunno.
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    Kamala is a cop. Glad to see her go; our government's slave labor system needs to be dismantled as soon as we have a hand free from the Trump admin and Harris isn't even going to entertain that notion.

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    I'm really interested in stuff you say about prison reform, Perky. Are there any online resources you like and would recommend?
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    A lot of my opinions are informed by working directly with California prison reform issues as an attorney, so like...statutes, regs, bills, administrative policies, professional list-servs dissecting proposals, etcetera, and working directly with clients throughout both the prison system and the jail system across the state, which is why I have an axe to grind with Harris because she was not nearly as friendly to progressives as she'd like to market herself.

    That said, some of the sources I frequently check for news are:

    The Marshall Project for general criminal justice-related reporting. They do a good job compiling sources and their mailing list is one of my first stops each morning. Don't agree with all of their perspectives (I find their takes on gun control undercooked and don't think they come down hard enough on police) but in terms of getting a quick scan of what's important today they're very solid.
    Alliance for Constitutional Sex Offense Laws because it's about sex offense law, which is a highly underresearched and underreported area of criminal justice and because it helps me develop my views on how the law should prevent sexual abuse. I don't agree with everything on the site (particularly the comment sections which trend into rape apologism frequently) but it's valuable input for me.
    Center for a Stateless Society is a left-wing anarchist think tank (really really far left, I think nunu may appreciate). Their articles are pretty well-vetted but often not very novel or are very in the anarchist/socialist infighting weeds rather than anything more broadly applicable, but their studies are very good and thoughtful.

    I hope some of those are up your alley!

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    too bad so sad



    The reactions are a weird mix of people dunking on her and in-denial weirdos who think the DNC conspired against her


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    Re the last tweet:

    I've been trying to figure out how to describe Tulsi's energy. That nails it.
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    After the UK election, I can't help but feel that it is hopeless for us here. I was following the impeachment hearings close, but the last couple of days have been such a circus and so depressing that I had to tune out. It is just reinforcing this sense of hopelessness. I don't think we ever going to get out of this. I think we are doomed for 2020. Michelle Goldberg's latest column in the NY Times today made me cry. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/o...gtype=Homepage

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    I feel the same way. The darkest parts of humanity are being given full reign at the highest levels of government. What else can I feel but hopeless? Even if we somehow pull out of this death spiral, this country will never be the same.
    And the ghosts that we knew will flicker from view
    And we'll live a long life

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    Eleven months to go. Anything can happen.
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    I get really worried a lot about the 2020 election (hence starting this thread so far in advance to cope with the anxiety). But something I've been thinking a lot about this week is that their cheating probably has to work perfectly. If just a few things had been different in 2016, Hillary would have won. She'd be being impeached now, but she would have won. Comey's letter. Bernie's sulking. Weiner again. Russian meddling. And so many other little things just added up to just a few hundred thousand votes in 3 states. That's it. Are we up against even more stuff? Sure. Are they going to have access to fucking things up they didn't before? Sure. Is it a lock for the Dem because he's a big dumb doofus? No.

    But they have to get lucky on everything every single time. Every plan has to work. Nothing can go wrong. We just have to get a little lucky once. Maybe we won't get lucky. But maybe his teeth will fall out on live tv.

    And it's the same for the impeachment. The deck is stacked against justice, but Trump needs everyone to keep defying subpoenas and all the court processes to take a long time and ALL the GOP senators to stay in his corner. He needs nothing new to come up and he needs Mitch not to be outsmarted by Nancy.

    Everything is holding but it's all fragile. Maybe it'll hold until the day after the election and fall apart spectacularly and not matter bc he got reelected, but his numbers in those 3 vital swing states aren't great and senators in swing states up in 2020 aren't going to have an easy time. Even in red places like KY, it's not going to be an easy walk. At most we can hope for a 50/50, 51/49 senate, but those things would be better than now.

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    With so much news coming out of Washington I hope people haven't tuned out for the Holidays.. because tonight's debate has been pretty incredible.
    I hate to say it but the smaller field actually leads to more time for the back and forth and for the back and forth to make more sense.

    Mayor Pete is dodging it right and left. Biden looks more presidential. Bernie is there. And Yang is just killing it.
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    Yes agree I enjoyed the tone overall
    And PBS does great work
    "this way, that way, i am of two minds" -sappho
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    I had it on but I barely could pay attention. I'm at news fatigue and this week in particular (impeachment, xmas in less than a week) is just draining on every level. What I did see just made me really hate Mayor Pete. I liked him so much at first and watching him slowly turn into this sanctimonious prick has been something else. I haven't found it yet, but I guess there is a thing going around from a childhood acquaintance who recounts how Pete has had his whole life planned out like The Politician.

    For someone with no experience except a small amount of time in a small city, he gets really insistent that he is necessary to this whole process. Technically he is more qualified than Yang and Steyer though. Fuck them too.

    I wish that every time Klobuchar spoke I didn't think of all the terrible stories her staffers leaked out. And I don't know how much to believe them. Are they sexist dribble or is she batshit crazy?

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    oh and this fucking bitch


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    I did not watch the debates. I've completely dropped out of paying attention to the primary. I honestly do not give a shit. There are things I love and hate about most of them. It doesn't matter. I know I'll be voting Dem in the general election. When it comes down to who to vote for in the primary, I'll figure it out when it gets closer to my time to vote. I don't vote until June, which is absurdly late and doesn't even make a difference anyway. I hate this primary campaign and I'm over following it. The campaign season is too damn long and they all sound like broken records to me at this point. I'm out.

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