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    Fucking Paul Ryan said so too. STFU, Paul Ryan. You aren't allowed to be right on this when you're so wrong about your own shit.

    And I think I read Conyers was hospitalized? But I never saw more about it.

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    He was hospitalized due to "stress" today. I wish someone would ask Paul Ryan why he believes Conyers' accusers but not Trump's.

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    Hell, he probably DOES believe Trump's accusers. He just doesn't care, because tax cuts.
    At my core, I think we're gonna be OK.

    Barack Hussein Obama

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    More allegations agains Al Franken. 4 Democratic women senators call for him to step down. I think thats it for him.

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    I'm over the Weinstein-friends-with-Hillary stuff. I keep reading it and it ANGERS me. I'm not saying it's a complete non-story, but SHE is being blamed for HIS actions and the actions of HIS company for decades. People are all "Oh, she lost; she should go away and shut up" and yet every time there is a hint of scandal around anyone she ever was near, it's a HUGE STORY because of proximity.

    I'm tired of her having to answer for the crimes of the men around her. And yes, maybe she enabled and turned a blind eye, but EVERYONE ELSE DID TOO so why does she get more blame THAN THE PERPETRATORS OR THE PERVERT IN THE OVAL OFFICE?

    Her maybe knowing about Weinstein is worse than what Weinstein did or Trump did and that is why I'm fucking just over this issue.

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    I'm assuming this is in reference to this Newsweek article: Does Hillary Clinton have terrible taste in men, or just too ambitious to be a supporter of other women?

    Hillary could set herself on fire on live TV while apologizing for everything bad that ever has happened or will happen on this horrible rock we live on, and someone will comment about how she didn't choose the environmentally friendly way of killing herself and write a story asking if Hillary is responsible for global warming.

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    I'm personally feeling heartbroken about Al Franken's resignation. I feel he was a bright light in the Democratic Party and a staunch political ally for those on the left. I'll just leave this quote from a friend,

    "I feel this was a political hit job. Each women's case needs examining, since the first one was totally discredited but another came out the same day that it was discredited. Two are anonymous, why? This has never been his personality or behavior, he's not a power bully. Only after he put pressure on Jeff Sessions did these stories arise. He was framed."

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    Well, a journalist who is very much not anonymous and who is quite liberal accused him, so there's that.

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    Here’s my problem. The “left” is demanding accountability from people for this kind of behavior. Conyers and Franken are gone. Eliot Spitzer went away. Kevin Spacey lost his recurring roles and is being blacklisted, as he should be. The right screams about how awful these people are and how hypocritical liberals are, yet the liberals are some of the loudest voices calling for these people to step down.

    On the flip side, you have a pussy-grabbing president who’s been accused by dozens of women, and a pedophile who’s about to win a Senate seat in Alabama. Why does the right get away with it? Why do they get to demand that the left holds their side accountable while making every excuse in the book for their own?

    Once again, Democrats brought a knife to a gun fight. We will continue to do the right thing and we will lose for it. There is now a separate standard that we hold republicans to versus democrats.

    Also, this was brought about by Roger Stone after Franken went after Jeff Sessions, so regardless of Franken’s boorish behavior it’s clear that this happened as retaliation. Stone and the other republicans don’t give two shits about women being sexually harassed — they only used it as a tool to take down a democrat. Look at what Cernovich did to Sam Seder. He got pissed at Seder and dug through his Twitter until he found a joke that he could exploit and used that to have MSNBC fire Seder. They now know these tactics work. Be prepared for an onslaught of this in 2018. They know our side will do a bunch of in-fighting and eventually demand for the moral victory of doing the right thing, while their side comes together to ensure election victories. They aren’t playing fair. They are letting us destroy ourselves because we’re letting it happen.

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    I teared up when I watched his speech, I'm not going to lie. I just hope it's not special repeat of the Bernie Bros vs. The Hillary supporters when a replacement is chosen. I would imagine most Hillary supporters would want a woman to take his place, and I'm pretty sure the Bernie people would prefer Keith Ellison.


    Here Are 6 Women (And 1 Man) Who Could Replace Al Franken In The Senate
    With Franken announcing his resignation over sexual harassment allegations, here’s a look at who could take his place.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b02d3bfc37a9bc

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    I've been reading that his accusers aren't all very credible, but then is that hype or legit? Are we falling for bullshit? Is it wrong to even question it?

    A good point I've seen is that maybe he should have stayed and had a senate investigation because now they've got the high road, but no precedent for Moore and other congressional creepers. Yay, the high road. A road we walk alone.

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    Maybe 80 year old socialists can rescue the DNC from itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regina Phalange View Post
    I've been reading that his accusers aren't all very credible, but then is that hype or legit? Are we falling for bullshit? Is it wrong to even question it?

    A good point I've seen is that maybe he should have stayed and had a senate investigation because now they've got the high road, but no precedent for Moore and other congressional creepers. Yay, the high road. A road we walk alone.
    Right?! I think he should have done exactly what you've stated. His accusers weren't properly vetted and it all seems quite perfunctory. I feel like these people are all falling to peer pressure when they should be more open to due process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dAmION View Post
    Right?! I think he should have done exactly what you've stated. His accusers weren't properly vetted and it all seems quite perfunctory. I feel like these people are all falling to peer pressure when they should be more open to due process.
    Would this be your reaction if, say, Paul Ryan was the one being accused? And one of the accusers sometimes went on MSNBC as a contributor? I am seeing people all over trip over themselves to stan for Franken and seeing shades of what the Republicans do – that we rip them to shreds for – and it's so disappointing.

    Time and time again don't we say what's the upside of a woman coming forward so publically against a powerful man? To err on the side of believing unless there is clear evidence to the contrary? That the more women that come forward, the more likely it is? There are at least 8 women now against Franken. The one person people seem hell bent on trying to discredit said she accepted his apology and didn't want him to resign over her experience, so that's a hell of a weird political hit.

    And let's say, like some people with Cosby, we don't believe all of the women for some reason. They're all lying? Even the liberals are part of some take down scheme against someone from their side?

    ETA: It may have been a Republican looking for dirt that brought this stuff to light at first. So? That doesn't happen on the left? Do we really think Moore's past was uncovered by someone who wasn't against him? It doesn't mean it's made up. Of course when dirt comes out, it's usually because someone on the other side was looking.

    The thing for Dems to do is not to let men who are harassing and assaulting women stay in office because the Republicans do. They need to clean house and then yell just as loud if not louder for the Republicans to resign as well. Why aren't the D. Senators shouting daily for Trump to resign over the women he's been accused of assaulting?

    ETA2: I have a horrible migraine and can't think straight, but this is how I feel. All of this is damn depressing.

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