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    A Matter Of How You See It Kala's Avatar
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    Screaming Kids in Public Places

    According to this article, Message to parents getting louder: No screaming babies allowed!

    In the latest burst of anti-kids-in-public news, a North Carolina restaurant is making headlines with signage that does not quibble. “Screaming Children Will NOT Be Tolerated!” read signs at the the Olde Salty restaurant in Carolina Beach, N.C. And while some parents have expressed concern that they are singling out disabled kids, most patrons have responded well.

    Brenda Armes, the restaurant's owner, told the local NBC affiliate, WECT, the clearly stated message has been good for business. "It has brought in more customers than it has ever kept away," she said.

    In Brooklyn, N.Y., the bar Union Hall took a lot of heat from parents/customers when it attempted to ban strollers. But the Double Windsor bar near Park Slope still followed up with a decision to ban babies after 5 p.m. As New York Magazine's Daily Intel reported, they did so with humor in signs that read, in part, that though the establishment is quite sure their customers' babies were "really mature for their age," they are just not old enough to legally drink alcohol. One "BAN KIDS FROM RESTAURANTS!" Facebook group has sprung up with 162 members. Even attendees of the Coconut Grove Arts Festival, it seems, had negative opinions about all of the strollers with kids in them at the Miami event.

    Up in the skies, a recent poll by Skyscanner, a fare-comparison website, found that almost 60 percent of travelers would love it if airlines demarcated a families-with-children section on airplanes, meaning they would love to sit in child-free zones. And, nearly 20 percent of travelers said they would rather fly on completely child-free flights, period.

    All of which begs the questions: Are people becoming more intolerant of kids, noisy or not, in public places? Or are more parents who bring their kids with them everywhere tuned out to how their sometimes noisy offspring may be affecting those around them?
    I guess time will tell if we'll see more public bans in the future.

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    This:
    parents who bring their kids with them everywhere are tuned out to how their sometimes noisy offspring may be affecting those around them
    Is what is causing this:
    people becoming more intolerant of kids, noisy or not, in public places
    When my boy was little, and if he acted up we left. Of course I didn't see the inside of a restaurant for the first 3 or 4 years of his life because I didn't want to bother other people with his possible shenanigans.

    I've gotten way less tolerant of small kids in certain settings myself.
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    I don't think restaurants, etc. really want to do these kinds of 'bannings' because of the giant hornet's nest that inevitably gets stirred up. But I agree, the problem lies with the parents who allow their kids to scream, cry, and just plain behave badly in public places by turning a blind eye/ear toward the behavior.

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    The parents' bleating is freaking ridiculous. There was an article about the Old Salty story on our local news station's website, and it had about ten times as many comments as the average story. Lots of "OMGDISCRIMINATION!" crap. No one is discriminating against your children, people just want you to properly raise them to behave appropriately in public. When I was young, I was not brought to restaurants (other than "Happy Donalds" or the lunch counter) until I was old enough to keep quiet. My parents did NOT tolerate tantrums from me or my brothers. If any of us made noise in a public place, they took us outside until we could be quiet. But these days, everyone's perfect little angels are so precious and special that they should never be denied anything, and neither should their parents. Sorry, but you chose to have them. You keep them home until they can behave in adult establishments. If you want to go out and your baby isn't ready for a sit-down restaurant, then get a babysitter. Or at least be willing to sacrifice your good time to take you baby out of the restaurant when it starts making noise and disrupting others. And for God's sake, DO NOT CHANGE YOUR BABY'S DIAPER ON THE TABLE, YOU NASTY PIG.
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    A few weeks ago I had lunch somewhere. A few tables from me were two moms, who met up and had a "wonderful" conversation going on. But their kids went running and screaming around the entire time, constantly standing at my table, talking, pointing, touching. Both mom ignored it, were to absorbed into their own things. Then the youngest girl took off, and one of the elder girls (about 9 years old) walked over to one of them moms saying "So and so just walked away." Mom didn't respond. The girl kept on repeating the same thing over and over again, in the mean time trying to keep an eye on the girl that walked away. Both moms didn't do anything, they were still so absorbed into their own stuff. It was painful and annoying to watch. At the same time, at another table, a two or three year old was eating with her mom. Mom talked to the girl with a soft voice, and the girl was just behaving calmly and wonderful. No screaming, yelling or running around. So it's possible, but most people don't even seemed to be bothered to try. Annoying.

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    I live near Union Hall in Brooklyn, and since the stroller ban, several other bars have (thankfully) followed suit. I'm glad Park Slope is leading the charge.

    As you guys are saying, this is more of a reaction to neighborhood parents acting completely inappropriately than a hatred of children. The neighborhood is really family friendly by bklyn standards, but that doesn't mean your kids belong in bars. The Gate (the bar mentioned in the article linked below) is a dank borderline dive beer bar. It is not a place you bring kids. Even well behaved kids. I am there to drink beer and whiskey and curse drunkenly. I don't do these things in the playground at the park...because that would be inappropriate.

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...baby-barflies/
    http://www.fuckedinparkslope.com/hom...ends-also.html

    Oh...I'm also ready for this in movie theaters. I went to a midnight screening of Inception a couple weeks ago...and guess who walks in at 12:05? A f'ing couple with a 2-year-old.

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    ^^That movie theater shit boggles my mind! It used to annoy me to no end when I worked in a video store and I'd see 2 and 3 year olds wandering around the horror section at 10:30 at night with their parents. Bedtime, anyone??

    Re: restaurants: The screaming/running child thing is so annoying and dangerous! What if the child crashes into someone? What if they run out into the parking lot and get hit by a car while their parents are ignoring their behavior? I mean, it's bad enough to have no respect for those around you but at least pretend to care about your child's well-being.

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    The worst I've ever seen was in Connecticut. Small children, no more than six or seven, sitting on a bench in the hallway of a casino with an extremely elderly relative (presumably) while Mommy or Daddy is likely inside planted at a slot machine, chain smoking.

    At two in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Churumbela View Post
    The worst I've ever seen was in Connecticut. Small children, no more than six or seven, sitting on a bench in the hallway of a casino with an extremely elderly relative (presumably) while Mommy or Daddy is likely inside planted at a slot machine, chain smoking.

    At two in the morning.
    Let me guess - Foxwoods?

    STAY CLASSY CT.

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    My local cinema now does kid-free screenings of certain movies that both adults and kids tend to be avid about, like Harry Potter. They charge about 50p more for the kid-free ones but they're still wildly popular and more liable to sell out than other screenings. This isn't kid-hate so much as bitter experience, if you ask me. I'm sure some miltant moocow would see it as discrimination against their speshul child, but who cares what they think?

    A local cafe/bar in my town also displays a notice telling parents they must supervise their kid at all times and not allow them to run around and disturb others patrons or impede the staff.

    Oh, and my local SF/comics emporium has an amusing notice on display. It reads 'Unaccompanied children will be be sold to the Daleks as slaves'. Guess they've had their fill of parents treating the place as a drop-off substitute creche on a weekend afternoon. OMG, they clearly hate children!

    No business wants to turn away paying customers. However, it has got to the point where so many parents are so clueless and often incredibly belligerent about letting their kids carry on like demented screeching apes without even attempting to disclipline them that the businesses risk losing way more business by letting this continue. I won't patronise places I know will be full of endlessly screeching brats and I know many people - parents included - who feel the same way.

    Oh and this whole changing a nappy on a cafe table thing? I've never seen it here (yet) but I think I'd vomit on the spot and complain. People like that should be banned from eating in civilised company and confined to some kind of pig bin where they can wallow in shit to their little hearts' content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churumbela View Post
    The worst I've ever seen was in Connecticut. Small children, no more than six or seven, sitting on a bench in the hallway of a casino with an extremely elderly relative (presumably) while Mommy or Daddy is likely inside planted at a slot machine, chain smoking.

    At two in the morning.
    I consider that child abuse. Kids that age should be in bed, not parked in an adult environment breathing in carcinogens.

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    My husband and I went to the Bronx Zoo last weekend, and let me tell you, the screechfest was out of control. I realize it was an open space so there's not much you can do, but a lot of these parents were just completely ignoring their children outright while they stood and SCREAMED at the top of their lungs (and near the exhibits, where there are signs asking not to make too much noise as so not to disturb the animals). After a while, the noise started to get to me. I can't imagine if I'd had to abide it indoors.

    Additionally, I saw not one but 4 shit filled disposable diapers left on the ground. Worse is that they were about 5 feet from the trash bin.

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    I remember finding a lovely dirty, disposable nappy on an otherwise pristine white sand beach on a tiny island in the English Channel a few years ago. yet again, there was a bin no more than 50 yards away. Show some people a place of beauty, a site of special scientific interest, and wll they can do is dump their mini-me's (of which they are so, so proud) l'il bag of faeces on it. Yep, your kids will save the earth. Right after they've taken a plastic-wrapped dump on it.

    It's days like that I think that peasants shouldn't be allowed to travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Let me guess - Foxwoods?

    STAY CLASSY CT.
    But of course! (I will note -- this scene repeated a number of times at Foxwoods and seemed less frequent at Mohegan Sun. Take that as you will.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Churumbela View Post
    But of course! (I will note -- this scene repeated a number of times at Foxwoods and seemed less frequent at Mohegan Sun. Take that as you will.)


    Mohegan seems to be more of a "commuter" casino - I think more people stay overnight at Foxwoods.

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